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LeBron is delusional yet again

  • Uncle NitNots said...

    I read the original post I replied to wrong. I meant to say that the Dream Team in their prime would kill the current squad. No doubt

    Glad that was the case and not the other way. lol

    Spartan Punk

  • LittleGiants said...

    Howard, LBJ, Durant, Kobe, D Rose, Chandler, Bosh, Melo, D Wade, CP3, Williams, Griffin.

    Count me among the few that believe this team would run all over the Dream Team. The guys nowadays are such physical freaks and the game is played so much faster than it used to. I get really tired the old guys thinking they are better just because they are older. Get over it. Chuck Barkley would have no chance being matched up with LBJ and having to play a full court game for 40-45 min/night.

    Who would guard Magic, Ewing, Admiral, Malone ... Tyson Chandler?

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • Cosmo_Kramer said...

    Who would guard Magic, Ewing, Admiral, Malone ... Tyson Chandler?

    Ewing, Robinson vs. Howard, Chandler: All 4 outstanding defenders, probably not going to get much offense from either side here

    LeBron, Bosh vs. Barkley, Malone: big offensive advantage for the DT when Bosh on the floor, but BIG everywhere advantage for 12 team when LBJ on the floor

    Durant, Melo vs. Bird, Pippen: Not even fair if you ask me - Bird was in the twilight of his career, Pippen could have some defensive effectiveness, but as some of the Dream Teamers always like to say, good offense will always beat good defense

    Kobe, DWade vs. Jordan, Drexler, Mullin: BIG edge to DT when Jordan on the floor, when he's not, big edge to 12 team

    Rose, CP3, Williams vs. Magic, Stockton: Please, not even a close call here - Magic was pretty much retired from basketball at the time and Stockton wouldn't have a prayer against the athleticism of the 12 team points - if the question is Magic in his prime, that's a much, much different story and would cause big time matchup problems

    Griffin vs. Laettner: Really?

    LittleGiants

  • LittleGiants said...

    Ewing, Robinson vs. Howard, Chandler: All 4 outstanding defenders, probably not going to get much offense from either side here

    LeBron, Bosh vs. Barkley, Malone: big offensive advantage for the DT when Bosh on the floor, but BIG everywhere advantage for 12 team when LBJ on the floor

    Durant, Melo vs. Bird, Pippen: Not even fair if you ask me - Bird was in the twilight of his career, Pippen could have some defensive effectiveness, but as some of the Dream Teamers always like to say, good offense will always beat good defense

    Kobe, DWade vs. Jordan, Drexler, Mullin: BIG edge to DT when Jordan on the floor, when he's not, big edge to 12 team

    Rose, CP3, Williams vs. Magic, Stockton: Please, not even a close call here - Magic was pretty much retired from basketball at the time and Stockton wouldn't have a prayer against the athleticism of the 12 team points - if the question is Magic in his prime, that's a much, much different story and would cause big time matchup problems

    Griffin vs. Laettner: Really?

    People from your post not on the 2012 Olympic team.

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  • Spartan Punk said...

    I think a lot of people underestimate the athletism of guys from 20 years ago and overestimate current guys.

    Yes, LeBron would probably be the most athletic of the 24 total players from the 2 teams, but Jordan would probably be next. Also, find me some who is physically more superior than Karl Malone was. Or Charles Barkley in his prime. And while Bird and Magic weren't the most athletic players, they were used to playing against athletes like Dominque Wilkins.

    Lastly, James Hardin and Andre Iguodola are on this team. Back in 1992, they probably wouldn't even had made the try outs for the '92 team. This year's team is very weak on the bench compared to the Dream Team.

    I agree.

    The game has changed. Yes it has evolved. But I think that the dream team could run up and down the floor. Like Punk said, Look at Malone, Jordan, Pippen, DRob. They were big and strong and I think they could run if needed.

    I think size is a huge issue with the current team. They got outrebounded by Brazil 38-30. That shows that this team is a little... dare I say... soft?

    To me the Dream Team wins because they knew how to win. The 2012 team seem soft compared to the Dream Team. Kobe is really the player on the team that really knows how to close and to win games. Losing wasn't an option for Jordan. Magic and Bird were proven winners and proved they knew how to get it done. The Dream Team players were all the leaders of their own teams. Not the "I need help to win a championship, so lets create a super team." In my eyes I think the Dream Team would just bully the 2012 team.

    Greenup

  • LittleGiants said...

    Ewing, Robinson vs. Howard, Chandler: All 4 outstanding defenders, probably not going to get much offense from either side here

    LeBron, Bosh vs. Barkley, Malone: big offensive advantage for the DT when Bosh on the floor, but BIG everywhere advantage for 12 team when LBJ on the floor

    Durant, Melo vs. Bird, Pippen: Not even fair if you ask me - Bird was in the twilight of his career, Pippen could have some defensive effectiveness, but as some of the Dream Teamers always like to say, good offense will always beat good defense

    Kobe, DWade vs. Jordan, Drexler, Mullin: BIG edge to DT when Jordan on the floor, when he's not, big edge to 12 team

    Rose, CP3, Williams vs. Magic, Stockton: Please, not even a close call here - Magic was pretty much retired from basketball at the time and Stockton wouldn't have a prayer against the athleticism of the 12 team points - if the question is Magic in his prime, that's a much, much different story and would cause big time matchup problems

    Griffin vs. Laettner: Really?

    I question your basketball knowledge.

    Not much offense from Ewing and Robinson? Ewing scored 25,000 points in his career and averaged 21 ppg. Robinson scored 21,000 points and averaged 21 ppg. Both had versatile offensive games, both posting and shooting outside.

    Malone was one of the most prolific scorers in NBA history, second to Kareem.

    In 1992 Bird's last season he averaged 20 ppg. Pippen was a terrific offensive player. He averaged 21 ppg that season and scored 19,000 points in his career.

    I could go on but the point is made. Oh, one more thing, Barkley was the leading scorer in the Olympics for the Dream Team. Oh, oh, another point, Stockton is the best point guard in the history of the NBA and was a career 51.5% shooter.

    MSchott

  • Gob_Bluth said...

    I'm 26. MJ would physically and psychologically destroy LeBron. There are all sorts of apocryphal stories of MJ just eviscerating Pippen in practices. It was so bad that his teammates had to ask him to stop so as not to damage Pippen. If Jordan can do that to one of the best all-around defenders of all-time, he can do it to LeBron.

    The current crop of American stars is great, no doubt. But they lack the competitive edge of the 1992 Dream Team. The practices in '92 were legendary, just stars going at it, trying to destroy each other. I don't see that happening these days.

    Jordan would physically dominate a guy that is 40 lbs heavier and two inches taller than he is?

    The people who don't like Lebron James are so fuckin' ignorant its disgusting.

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  • Punisher99 said...

    Jordan would physically dominate a guy that is 40 lbs heavier and two inches taller than he is?

    The people who don't like Lebron James are so fuckin' ignorant its disgusting.

    Simple question....what generation of officiating are we going to get for said game? Is it the officials from the early 90's that let you get physical on the court or is it the offiicating of today that pretty much allows no contact at all?

    That will always be the biggest difference between the teams of today and 20 yr ago, the amount of contact and flopping from today's players would more than likely frustrate those guys in their prime.

    In the end though I go with the usual sentiment....Michael Jordan would not let that team lose. There is NO one on teh 2012 team save maybe Kobe who has the killer instinct that Jordan has.

    JRoss24

  • Everyone keeps talking about how LeBron would have his way with the Dream Team. You guys remember that the DT had a lot of nasty dudes on it, right? Hell, Malone opened up a gash on Isaiah's forehead that required something like 40 stitches to close. Why? As revenge for Thomas embarrassing Stockton in the previous game between the Pistons and the Jazz. The dude committed what would be serious assault off the basketball court (and now would lead to a multi-game suspension) just because Thomas had outscored his teammate in a prior game.

    So I'm supposed to believe that, if it came down to it, and LeBron was just running roughshod over the DT (which I don't believe he would, although he would certainly get his points), that Malone wouldn't have sent him flying into stands with a well-placed elbow or body check? Not buying it.

    Listen, I think the '12 team, as currently composed (not the fantasy line-up that everyone wants to trot out) would hang with the DT. In a single game they probably lose by around 10, and in a seven-game series, they probably lose 4-2 or something like that. But anyone who thinks that Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James were going to walk all over Jordan, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Robinson, etc. is delusional.

    voodoochile

  • LittleGiants said...

    Ewing, Robinson vs. Howard, Chandler: All 4 outstanding defenders, probably not going to get much offense from either side here

    Why is everyone so big on Howard? The dude can't score beyond 5 feet from the bucket. Chandler, same thing. Without CP3 getting Chandler the ball he just flat out doesn't score. These two are only effective on put backs and alley oops. Ewing and Robinson win this matchup hand downs with a legit offesnsive game. And, they out muscle Howard and chandler. Couldn't read past this and take your analysis seriously.

    By the way, Howard isn't on the team. Everyone keeps saying '12 would keep up or win, but have to use players not on the roster to justify why.

    rhodesj5

  • JRoss24 said...

    Simple question....what generation of officiating are we going to get for said game? Is it the officials from the early 90's that let you get physical on the court or is it the offiicating of today that pretty much allows no contact at all?

    That will always be the biggest difference between the teams of today and 20 yr ago, the amount of contact and flopping from today's players would more than likely frustrate those guys in their prime.

    In the end though I go with the usual sentiment....Michael Jordan would not let that team lose. There is NO one on teh 2012 team save maybe Kobe who has the killer instinct that Jordan has.

    What game are you watching? Lebron gets contacted ALL the time going to the rim without a call.

    If you're seriously trying to make a case that MJ would push LBJ around on the court you're out of your mind. Michael might be able to take him outside and beat him with his jumper. But he's not going to PUSH Lebron around.

    I do agree '92 Dream Team wins over current version. '92 had two of the five best players of all-time on it (MJ, Magic) and arguably three with Bird.

    I do find it funny though how everyone forgets the '92 Dream Team lost to a bunch of college kids though. If '92 played '12 ten times, I promised you '12 would win a couple of them.

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  • Punisher99 said...

    What game are you watching? Lebron gets contacted ALL the time going to the rim without a call.

    If you're seriously trying to make a case that MJ would push LBJ around on the court you're out of your mind. Michael might be able to take him outside and beat him with his jumper. But he's not going to PUSH Lebron around.

    I do agree '92 Dream Team wins over current version. '92 had two of the five best players of all-time on it (MJ, Magic) and arguably three with Bird.

    I do find it funny though how everyone forgets the '92 Dream Team lost to a bunch of college kids though. If '92 played '12 ten times, I promised you '12 would win a couple of them.

    The '92 Dream Team lost to a bunch of college kids that would have been in the NBA in the modern era (Webber, Mashburn, Rose, Hurley, Hill, etc) and they only lost because Daly threw the game (didn't play MJ much, kept mixing up his lineup, etc). Not only that, Webber (as much as I hate him) coming out of college was actually much better than Anthony Davis is right now. Most of us agree that the 2012 team is good but MJ isn't the reason why they'd win so easily. It's that a front court of Tyson Chandler, Kevin Love, and Anthony Davis would get destroyed by Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Karl Malone (only LeBron would physically be able to slow him down), and Charles Barkley. I respect the 2012 team's athleticism but good luck getting a single rebound (one of the 2012's team biggest weaknesses at the moment) against the Dream Team. They'd be able to dictate the tempo and feed the bigs.

    sprtnbrn

  • sprtnbrn said...

    The '92 Dream Team lost to a bunch of college kids that would have been in the NBA in the modern era (Webber, Mashburn, Rose, Hurley, Hill, etc) and they only lost because Daly threw the game (didn't play MJ much, kept mixing up his lineup, etc). Not only that, Webber (as much as I hate him) coming out of college was actually much better than Anthony Davis is right now. Most of us agree that the 2012 team is good but MJ isn't the reason why they'd win so easily. It's that a front court of Tyson Chandler, Kevin Love, and Anthony Davis would get destroyed by Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Karl Malone (only LeBron would physically be able to slow him down), and Charles Barkley. I respect the 2012 team's athleticism but good luck getting a single rebound (one of the 2012's team biggest weaknesses at the moment) against the Dream Team. They'd be able to dictate the tempo and feed the bigs.

    Even without MJ playing a lot, there's still no excuse to lose that game. Who cares who's in the lineup, you have the best players in the world on your team. They got their asses beat.

    I dont disagree with your other points, and I think the '92 team is better for sure. I'm just saying if they were to play ten times, '12 would win a couple. Kobe and LBJ are no slouches.

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  • I'd go with Dream Team just because they'd be able to protect the rim and rebound much better. '12 probably has better scorers on the wings and PG play though. Don't forget Magic was past his prime and Bird was well past his prime; same for Kobe too though.

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  • I really do not have a problem with what Lebron said. How many of you as fans concede losses by our football and basketball team even before the game is played? The only way you can beat someone is if you mentally believe you can do it, then follow through with the physical part. I respect the fact that he is not cowering to the 1992 team or anyone for that matter. If our football or basketball team said when asked by the media that they would lose to an opponent before the game was played, tRCMB would be ready to run someone out of town.

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  • mentalstate said...

    A) Barkley & Malone had extremely high BB IQs, plus they had two hall-of-fame centers protecting the rim behind them. Plus, I've met Chuck a bunch of times, his shoulders are wider than most people are tall, freakish, is the reason he made it at PF when everyone else was 6'10 and he was 6'5. Not an easy guy to get around.

    B) How do they guard Barkley or Malone? Would be a layup/dunk drill.

    This. People ask about Barkley guarding James, but who is going to guard Barkley? He was a dominant player inside in an era when teams actually had centers.

    The 92' team had superior post players, and had the players to surround a zone, and bury you from the perimeter.

    Who on this year's team is going to score inside against Robinson and Ewing?

    92' would roll this year's team.

    badgerman27

  • Dream Team.

    Wow. I wasted 10 minutes reading a non-story.

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