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Let's be clear. There's no excuse for losing to Georgia.

  • With the 0-4 bowl record, a lot of people (myself included) have excused the bowl losses because of unfavorable matchups. That was a valid point.

    BC was a 9 win team and MD was in his first year.

    Georgia (the first time) was a national title contender and we had vastly overachieved to get to 9-3.

    Texas Tech was the worst possible matchup for a team with awful DBs. Plus we were shorthanded because of Rathergate.

    Alabama was head and shoulders above us in talent. Nobody in the country was going to beat them that day.

    But this year isn't like that. This is a perfectly even matchup. There is no excuse for not beating Georgia. This is a winnable game and if we don't win, nobody should excuse the loss by saying it was an unfavorable matchup.

    Final Countdown ●

  • Final Countdown said...

    With the 0-4 bowl record, a lot of people (myself included) have excused the bowl losses because of unfavorable matchups. That was a valid point.

    BC was a 9 win team and MD was in his first year.

    Georgia (the first time) was a national title contender and we had vastly overachieved to get to 9-3.

    Texas Tech was the worst possible matchup for a team with awful DBs. Plus we were shorthanded because of Rathergate.

    Alabama was head and shoulders above us in talent. Nobody in the country was going to beat them that day.

    But this year isn't like that. This is a perfectly even matchup. There is no excuse for not beating Georgia. This is a winnable game and if we don't win, nobody should excuse the loss by saying it was an unfavorable matchup.

    Very excellent write up. You make a compelling case. I agree with you completely.thumbsup

    tVargMan Prime ●

  • no injuries, no worry that MSU has lost 2 starters from the D Line

    okey dokey demand demand demand

    I think MSU should win because similar to 'Bama last year MSU could have gone to a bigger bowl.

    GRR Spartan

  • GRR Spartan said...

    no injuries, no worry that MSU has lost 2 starters from the D Line

    okey dokey demand demand demand

    I think MSU should win because similar to 'Bama last year MSU could have gone to a bigger bowl.

    Everybody has injuries, including UGA.

    I'm not "demanding" a victory. I'm just saying that this matchup doesn't fit the pattern of MSU being overmatched. Thus, our fans can't use that excuse again.

    Final Countdown ●

  • I don't think Georgia is any better than MSU or Wisconsin for that matter.

    This is the first bowl game that I feel MSU is on par with its opponent (I felt that way with TTech until half the team was suspended).

    It will be interesting to see how the team responds mentality from the loss in Indy.

    I think Kirk will be able to rally the guys to send the seniors out as winners.

    This post was edited by Holdensheroes on 12/22/2011 at 12:02 PM

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  • Bet the farm.

    WBill19542 ●

  • Holdensheroes said...

    I don't think Georgia is any better than MSU or Wisconsin for that matter.

    This is the first bowl game that I feel MSU is on par with its opponent (I felt that way with TTech until half the team was suspended).

    It will be interesting to see how the team responds mentality from the loss in Indy.

    I think Kirk will be able to rally the guys to send the seniors out as winners.

    This. It could go either way, UGA is pretty darn good, but if MSU wins I won't feel like it was a big upset.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

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    This post was edited by keggdirdle on 12/22/2011 at 12:09 PM

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  • I haven't seen Georgia play but I worry about the SEC thing especially after the Bama game last year where we were so heavily overmatched.

    MSchott ●

  • I was with you... right up until you used "Rathergate". uhoh

    Phil McCrackin

  • SpartanRocky said...

    This. It could go either way, UGA is pretty darn good, but if MSU wins I won't feel like it was a big upset.

    Agree. Should be a very good game between two "pretty damn good" teams.I see this game as a pick'em ..

    ScottsBadLiver

  • ScottsBadLiver said...

    Agree. Should be a very good game between two "pretty damn good" teams.I see this game as a pick'em ..

    I think the line is 3.5 with UGA probably having a 60-40 fan advantage. It should be one of the most competitive games between two ranked teams in the bowl season and better than at least 2 BCS bowl games (Sugar and Orange). I think Stewart Mandel ranked it #5 behind the NC, the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton. Personally I think KSU is going to be overmatched against Arky, so I'd put it 4th behind the NC, Rose and Fiesta.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • No excuses. None. Get it done. Sr QB one of the best in program history plus an ELITE defense.

    Get it done. Won't be easy and we obviously could easily lose but this team/program badly needs to finish the year with a win for the first time in 10 YEARS.

    This post was edited by Pylon St8ofmind on 12/22/2011 at 12:49 PM

    Marriage is like flying with kids, if the flight had 500 connections, never ended, Ted Striker were your pilot and you ate the fish.

    Pylon St8ofmind

  • Final Countdown said...

    With the 0-4 bowl record, a lot of people (myself included) have excused the bowl losses because of unfavorable matchups. That was a valid point.

    BC was a 9 win team and MD was in his first year.

    Georgia (the first time) was a national title contender and we had vastly overachieved to get to 9-3.

    Texas Tech was the worst possible matchup for a team with awful DBs. Plus we were shorthanded because of Rathergate.

    Alabama was head and shoulders above us in talent. Nobody in the country was going to beat them that day.

    But this year isn't like that. This is a perfectly even matchup. There is no excuse for not beating Georgia. This is a winnable game and if we don't win, nobody should excuse the loss by saying it was an unfavorable matchup.

    Of course, a 10-3 SEC is an even match for a 10-3 big ten team. no

    This post was edited by spartanMF on 12/22/2011 at 1:29 PM

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  • spartanMF said...

    Of course, a 10-3 SEC is an even match for a 10-3 big ten team. no

    It isn't as if UGA played in the SEC west and faced a murderous schedule. I'd say our two schedules are fairly comparable. Here are the ranked opponents they've played so far (by current BCS ranking):

    #7 Boise St. (L)
    #9 South Carolina (L)
    #25 Auburn (W)
    #1 LSU (L)

    Compare that to MSU:

    #10 Wisconsin (W)
    #13 scUM (W)
    #20 Nebraska (L)
    #10 Wisconsin (L)

    Final Countdown ●

  • MSU 31
    UGA 17

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  • I disagree. Georgia is an above average SEC team. I think the game should be competitive but playing a good SEC school in the South is never easy.

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    Giant Moose ●

  • spartanMF said...

    Of course, a 10-3 SEC is an even match for a 10-3 big ten team. no

    Maybe not typically but we played a very hard B1G schedule and they played a very soft SEC schedule.

    Marriage is like flying with kids, if the flight had 500 connections, never ended, Ted Striker were your pilot and you ate the fish.

    Pylon St8ofmind

  • Giant Moose said...

    I disagree. Georgia is an above average SEC team. I think the game should be competitive but playing a good SEC school in the South is never easy.

    Nobody said easy. We need to validate the last 4 'overwhelmed' losses by throwing at least one 'pick em' win into the mix.

    That's the point.

    Marriage is like flying with kids, if the flight had 500 connections, never ended, Ted Striker were your pilot and you ate the fish.

    Pylon St8ofmind

  • Sagarin SOS ....Georgia 26, MSU 42

    WBill19542 ●

  • WBill@ said...

    Sagarin SOS ....Georgia 26, MSU 42

    Yup...and Sagarin's full of shit. I prefer Football Outsiders SOS rankings: instead of bumping teams way up for scheduling slightly harder cupcakes (looking at you, scUM), they try to rate the probability that an "elite" team would go undefeated against that schedule. They rank Georgia's SOS 28th, scUM's 55th, and MSU's 2nd (although that obviously got a huge bump from playing UW a second time).

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  • The "excuse" IF we lose will be that Georgia is a very talented team, that's it. We shouldn't expect to beat UGA 10 out of 10 times so the possibility of a loss should not come as a surprise (notice I said possible not probable). If we come out on the wrong side of the score tip your hat and move on to next season. If we win, same thing. That fact that we have gone 0-4 in the bowls has no effect (affect???) on this years game, just as if had we gone 4-0 it would have no affect. (effect??) Maybe I'm reaching but this sounds like a preemptive, "the sky is falling" thread.

    GreenBullGreen

  • ashamanAJSV said...

    Yup...and Sagarin's full of shit. I prefer Football Outsiders SOS rankings: instead of bumping teams way up for scheduling slightly harder cupcakes (looking at you, scUM), they try to rate the probability that an "elite" team would go undefeated against that schedule. They rank Georgia's SOS 28th, scUM's 55th, and MSU's 2nd (although that obviously got a huge bump from playing UW a second time).

    Interesting, but if Sagarin is full of shit then so are about a dozen other outlets that rank SOS. Because his numbers aren't much different than the others. The system ranking MSU's at 2 is way outside the norm.

    WBill19542 ●

  • Catching parts of bowl games already played, except for the Temple win, looks like all the games have been very fairly close. Those teams that were favorites,,,,,Utah State, SDSU, FIU & TCU are just 1-3 so far.

    Might be that its a lot about attitude coming into these games & not all strictly about talent on the field. We've got the talent & if our guys show up ready & play a solid game,,,,we will win.

    spartanjt77

  • WBill@ said...

    Interesting, but if Sagarin is full of shit then so are about a dozen other outlets that rank SOS. Because his numbers aren't much different than the others. The system ranking MSU's at 2 is way outside the norm.

    Sure, but as been hashed out ad nauseum on this board before, those systems put an almost stupefyingly large emphasis on cupcakes. I don't think there's any objective way of looking at our schedule and Georgia's and ranking theirs higher. Or saying that 41 teams played harder schedules than MSU's this year.

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