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"Yes, we were playing and we were productive and we were freshmen, but a lot of teams do those things that don't have documentaries about themselves 20 years later."

... you're the one that made the documentary dumbass.

And guess what crack head? A lot of those programs (or all of them actually) were never involved in the largest pay for play scandal in NCAA history. They make Urban Meyers cheating look like child's play.

Just to be clear, Jailen doesn't actually say that.

Some revisionist history going on from the scUM fans in the comment section

Dr. Z
Playing ineligible players sure is cheating. When did Michigan in the fab 5 era use an ineligible player? Webber declared for the NBA after his sophomore season. The moment he did it, was ineligible. He never played after that. Sure he got a "loan" from Martin, but according to many, this was after he declared. Still an NCAA violation, as he was enrolled, but never played.

Geoff
Ya maybe they can also examine how many guys with MSU and UM offers both took money from Martin. Careful what you ask for.

"I'm a huge Dave Brandon fan, huge," Rose said.

I guess he really likes Dominos Pizza?

He just doesnt get it. It's the exact same attitude that a fan of uofm has about their football team. They can look at a program that has won 1/2 title in 70 years, does a lot of 8-4 or 9-3 years wins conference titles but loses bowls often and they think of themselves as elite.

I wish I had the ability to ignore reality as much as jalen and the uofm crowd.

If scum becomes us we need to change.

Ed Martin had been around since the Johnny Orr/Bill Frieder days at scuM.

He was treated as a red carpet guest by scuM because they knew what he meant to recruiting. Room reservations on the team floor during NCAA games, locker room access, seating next to the coaches during recruiting visits, etc...

scuM cheated like hell, delayed and dragged out the "investigation" and only admitted to what they got caught for by the FBI. Lucky for them that Uncle Eddie died before trial- would have been something else to have him brag about helping kids get to scuM for a good twenty years.

FJR.

Yeah, but not while he was a student. The Fad Five couldn't afford it when they were students.

The other annoying thing with the fraudsters is that the school and their fans like to blame Eddie and his orphans as the reason the bball program was tarnished. That in itself is pretty ridiculous considering that the institution of scuM embraced the seedy side of recruiting and did whatever they could to build a winner.

The school had a win at all costs mentality- Jalen and his clowns were just brash and obnoxious about it and literally just one piece of a pretty big pie (or cake). Cant tell me that Duderstadt, Canham, Schembechler and others did not notice the nice cars they were driving and fur coats that these guys were wearing. Friends from our high school basketball team went to scuM for camps and for games and were thinking how cool it was that these guys (Leslie Rockymore, Butch Wade, Tarpley) had cadillacs and fur coats. My friends were die hard scum fans and thought it was cool. As long as their program wins everyone was fine with it.

It's beyond "amazing" that scUM fans think that Webber was the only one taking money... What's makes me laugh, is that scUM fans are still pissed that o$u is cheaters and should have got hammered by the ncaa for tattoo gate, yet that doesn't even touch the level of infractions ($660,000 to players!!!!) that the hoops team had. below is quick write up on big Ed and the scUM relationship

During the University of Michigan basketball scandal the Big Ten Conference, National Collegiate Athletic Association, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Internal Revenue Service, and United States Department of Justice investigated the relationship between the University of Michigan, its men's basketball teams and basketball team booster Ed Martin. The program was punished for NCAA rules violations, principally involving payments booster Martin made to several players to launder money from an illegal gambling operation. It is one of the largest incidents involving payments to college athletes in American collegiate history.[46] It was described as one of the three or first violations of NCAA bylaws in history up to that time by the NCAA infractions committee chairman and the largest athlete payment scandal ever by ESPN.[46][47]

The case began when the investigation of an automobile rollover accident during Mateen Cleaves' 1996 Michigan Wolverines recruiting trip revealed a curious relationship between Martin and the team. Several Michigan basketball players were implicated over the next few years and by 1999 several were called before a federal grand jury. Four eventual professional basketball players (Chris Webber, Maurice Taylor, Robert Traylor and Louis Bullock) were discovered to have borrowed a total of $616,000 from Martin.[46] During the investigation, Webber claimed not to have had any financial relationship with Martin. Eventually he confessed to having accepted some of the money he was charged with having borrowed. For his perjury during a federal grand jury investigation, he was both fined in the legal system and briefly suspended by National Basketball Association after performing public service.[48][49]

In 2002, the University punished itself when it became apparent that its players were guilty by declaring itself ineligible for post season play immediately, returning post season play monetary rewards, vacating five seasons of games, removing commemorative banners, and placing itself on a two year probation.[50] The following year, the NCAA accepted these punishments, doubled both the probation period and the post-season ineligibility, penalized the school one scholarship for four seasons, and ordered disassociation from the four guilty players until 2012.[47][51] The additional year of post-season ineligibility was overturned on appeal.[52][53]

The punishment cost the 17–13 2002–03 team its post-season eligibility, cost past teams the 1997 National Invitation Tournament and the 1998 Big Ten Tournament championships as well as 1992 and 1993 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament Final Four recognition. It cost Chris Webber his All-American 1993 honors, Traylor his MVP awards in the 1997 NIT and 1998 Big Ten Tournament, as well as Bullock's standing as the school's third all-time leading scorer and all-time leader in 3-point field goals. Steve Fisher lost his job as Michigan head coach as a result of the scandal.[3]