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the throwback to Boller was the end of Bobby for me. I almost had a stroke I was screaming so hard at the stupidity of our defense. My god what a miserable saturday that was.

ETA: I blame the miserable failure of 2002 on those godawful jerseys. My god those things were fucking ugly as sin. I hope whoever decided those were a good idea was bitten by a moose and then sacked.

yeah...I've felt for a while now that this game will be the opposite of YSU last year. I honestly think we're going to beat their asses and they will struggle to score. I see it as a 27-10 kind of game.

gawd I love both those lines! sign me up. scUM is a straight up win for us and wiscy will be 3 points or less either way.

fair enough emerald,

i have read many a post between um/msu fans, and i know there is no love lost between u two fan bases...

we (osu fans) have our own beef with um, so i wont jump into the middle of the um/msu rivalry, but i will say i am rooting for both of u guys during ur ooc games and whomever you meet in ur bowl games!

btw, congrats on a great game last yr against my bucks in the shoe! (that defense you all have have is pretty darn good!)

No it wouldn't. The B1G is better when it's not te Big 2 Little 8, regardless what the press say (The press loves dynasties for some reason).

With Meyer, and a M victory over Alabana we'd hear nothing about the rest of the conference, and neither would the rest of the country.

In a sport that is entirely based on perception, flying under the radar doesn't help, and if M beats Alabama, that's all we'd be doing. If Alabama wins, it's an expected non story.

ohhh kayyy...

i agree with the sec stuf,f but like you said, until someone beats them they will get the nod..that is precisely my point...

going undefeated in the B1G will be almost impossible for all of us with the addition of Neb. and the ccg so if any of us want to even sniff at a title shot we need our rivals to do well before and after we beat them...plus, isnt beating ur rival even more gratifying when they are ranked high and acting coky? I love beating um anytime, but in 2006 when they were #2 and undefeated it was 100x more satisfying)

i dont claim to understand the hatred that msu has for um (altho i can imagine its pretty intense because of the "lil bro" comments and the arrogance some um fans have even in the face of 4 straight defeats to you guys) i can tell you this, if they treated us like that then I would react the same way and hope they get killed every week...So u r correct there.

re: osu playing weak opp's cuz we suck???? not sure i understand how oregon, lsu, fla, tex, miami, and ark can be considered "weak" opp's...when we played them, oregon won the pac 10, lsu won the sec, tex was very good, miami was theee team and ark was runnerup in the sec...

lastly, u r correct, tress should have suspended the tat 5 and they would have missed probably 4 games, however, he lied and it cost him his job and pryor's senior season where another bcs game was likely (maybe even the n/c)...

i am happy for the success msu has enjoyed and i hope it continues,and when a playoff finally arrives, then rooting for ur rivals in ooc is less necessary...imo

The MSU - UM dynamic is different than the tOSU - UM dynamic. For you guys, UM doing well doesn't harm your program; you're the team with the great in-state talent base. For MSU, they're trying to surpass UM in their own state; any thing that props up UM is bad for MSU.

In that respect, Bama beating UM is good for MSU. A UM W over Bama completely validates Hoke and declares that UM is officially "back". It takes a long time for a traditional power to lose its cred, and it doesn't take much to get it back; MSU wants UM to be suspect for as long as possible.

For tOSU, as you said, it's great to have a highly ranked rival because it raises the exposure for both programs, etc. That's because tOSU and UM are on the same tier nationally.

Due to the backlash against that NC game, I doubt 2 SEC teams get back in. You know that they're going to get 1 spot. The other NC spot goes to the highest ranked undefeated squad. I'd argue MSU's schedule, which features 6 top 25 teams (tied with Oklahoma for the most) would set it apart from most competitors, especially if MSU goes 3-0 @UM, @ WI and vs. Nebraska. You've got 2 big names in there and a 3rd (WI), which has played in the last 2 Rose Bowls. Sweep that stretch (Along with beating Boise, ND, tOSU and Iowa) and it'd be hard to deny State a spot in the NC game.

That said, an undefeated USC, Oregon or OK gets there ahead of MSU.

The weak part I don't think I conveyed how I wanted to. I was writing at work, got distracted by...work, and then came back and finished the post.

I think the B1G hurt itself by sending 2 teams to BCS games every year. Short term there was $$ to be made, but I think the long term affects are starting to show up. Now the B1G is seen as weak because it goes 2-5 in bowl games every year. Public perception doesn't care that the B1G #3 team is playing the B12 #2 team, or that the B1G #4 team is playing the SEC #2 team. The matchups have been far from favorable, and on top of that the B1G team usually has to travel to the backyard of its bowl opponent. Had the B1G only sent 1 team to a BCS bowl the matchups might have been a little more favorable or at least even.

So, now the B1G is seen as not as strong as it was in the 90's and early 00's. Kids are paying attention to all this and watching ESPN and they've been hearing since 6th grade that the SEC is THE CONFERENCE to be in. Right now the only thing the B1G has any power with is the fanbase is massive, but we need to start winning.

The part about weak opponents was a jab at um going to the Sugar Bowl last year. No effing reason the guy handing over the trophy should talk about how proud he is of his alum and give a 'go blue'.

totally agree with matchups! every yr i scratch my head and think, oh shit, gonna be a rough bowl season for B1G...

and playing lsu in the sugar bowl was a friggin home game for them...not to mention when usc plays in pasadena or miami in the orange bowl...

sec is tough, but its cyclical...they are fast becoming a conf. of 2 teams (bama and lsu) fla has dropped, georgia is solid but not great, auburn is good every 10 yrs or so, what happened to ten,?????

with the addition of neb. and the ccg, i think the B1G will be a very strong conf. in the next couple yrs...

osu and um had monster recruiting classes this and last yr, msu and whisky have jumped into the B1G elite and expect to play for the title every yr (not just once in awhile), and iowa, psu and nebraska will challenge often...

gonna be alot a good games and fun weekends in the midwest, for sure!

they could put the title game in hawaii, talk about neutral!

and i doubt we would have to worry about the univ. of hawaii getting to the title game...