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SpartanRocky's MSU vs. MN Preview Part III: MN's O vs. MSU's D

  • http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Article/MSU-vs-MINN-Defense-vs-Offense-102965

    Will this be the last game in Green and White for Johnny Adams and the rest of the Spartans senior class?

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 11/23/2012 at 11:17 AM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Does anybody care?

    Nίκη για MSU

    Bender

  • Bender said...

    Does anybody care?

    Regardless of expectations, you like to try to finish with a win. Things set up for MSU's D to have a great showing at least, and though the fanbase is apathetic, I bet most of us will still tune in tomorrow.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Bender said...

    Does anybody care?

    I do. Thanks Rocky. Haven't watched MN all season so this is helpful.

    The moment is eternal

    Desert Green

  • Bender said...

    Does anybody care?

    We can still have a winning season (7-6) and a bowl game. Nothing wrong with that.

    rodent

  • Desert Green said...

    I do. Thanks Rocky. Haven't watched MN all season so this is helpful.

    Kill's decision to leave Gray at WR this year was pretty surprising to me. You can see what his O is doing down at Northern IL with a dual threat QB; pretty scary stuff, even at a MAC school.

    Nelson has some pretty good potential, but as a true FR, he's had his ups and downs. Barker being out hurts them a lot; it's kind of the reverse of what happened when Burbridge came into the line-up for MSU. Now the #2 WR is being matched up with the #1 CB and the #3 option is hooked up with the #2 coverage guy, etc. Big reason they've been horrific on 3rd downs and haven't eclipsed 200 yards passing in the last 3 games (ever since Barker went down).

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • lol, nobody had commented before I did.

    Hoping for a win. Just disappointed in the season and the play calling.

    Go State...

    Nίκη για MSU

    Bender

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Kill's decision to leave Gray at WR this year was pretty surprising to me. You can see what his O is doing down at Northern IL with a dual threat QB; pretty scary stuff, even at a MAC school.

    Nelson has some pretty good potential, but as a true FR, he's had his ups and downs. Barker being out hurts them a lot; it's kind of the reverse of what happened when Burbridge came into the line-up for MSU. Now the #2 WR is being matched up with the #1 CB and the #3 option is hooked up with the #2 coverage guy, etc. Big reason they've been horrific on 3rd downs and haven't eclipsed 200 yards passing in the last 3 games (ever since Barker went down).

    I thought in your report you were going to say he was still hurt. Glad he at WR but agree with you that it's surprising. He was the best offensive weapon they hade when he was at QB.

    BTW, I'm now 100% convinced that in college you have to have a dual threat QB unless you can recruit NFL ready OL and almost NFL ready WRs and RBs ala Alabama. Only Iowa and MSU have pro styl QBs and both Offenses stink. A good dual threat QB can make up for a shitty OL with his legs and making something happen on broken plays. MSU broken plays are 10-15 yard sacks which will kill most series or drives.

    Thoughts?

    The moment is eternal

    Desert Green

  • Desert Green said...

    I thought in your report you were going to say he was still hurt. Glad he at WR but agree with you that it's surprising. He was the best offensive weapon they hade when he was at QB.

    BTW, I'm now 100% convinced that in college you have to have a dual threat QB unless you can recruit NFL ready OL and almost NFL ready WRs and RBs ala Alabama. Only Iowa and MSU have pro styl QBs and both Offenses stink. A good dual threat QB can make up for a shitty OL with his legs and making something happen on broken plays. MSU broken plays are 10-15 yard sacks which will kill most series or drives.

    Thoughts?

    Well, Wisconsin and PSU also have drop-back passers and UM is moving that way. That's 5/12 teams. Minnesota currently has more of a drop-back option.

    I think just about any O under the sun works in CFB as long as you have the personnel to run it. It's kind of like the clamor for a 3-4 defense after the 2009 season; there's no magic scheme to make things better, just better execution.

    And a dual threat can't totally make up for a bad OL. You're also putting much more of your O on the shoulders of one guy, so if he goes down, your offense stagnates quickly. Think Drew Stanton.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Well, Wisconsin and PSU also have drop-back passers and UM is moving that way. That's 5/12 teams. Minnesota currently has more of a drop-back option.

    I think just about any O under the sun works in CFB as long as you have the personnel to run it. It's kind of like the clamor for a 3-4 defense after the 2009 season; there's no magic scheme to make things better, just better execution.

    And a dual threat can't totally make up for a bad OL. You're also putting much more of your O on the shoulders of one guy, so if he goes down, your offense stagnates quickly. Think Drew Stanton.

    Agree about PSU as they have a potent O but always have a very good OL. Wiscy usually has a great OL but this year it's average and their O has suffered. As far as injuries to the dual threat guy you are just as screwed if the pro-style guy gets sacked and hurt. Injuries are just a wash and can kill any O.

    The moment is eternal

    Desert Green

  • Desert Green said...

    Agree about PSU as they have a potent O but always have a very good OL. Wiscy usually has a great OL but this year it's average and their O has suffered. As far as injuries to the dual threat guy you are just as screwed if the pro-style guy gets sacked and hurt. Injuries are just a wash and can kill any O.

    That's true. I just feel that with a dual threat, he's a chunk of your rushing yardage as well.

    My preference is a Russell Wilson-type passer. A pass-first guy that can pull it down as the 4th option on a play. Those guys (Robert Griffin is in this category) are the most dangerous weapons in CFB and the true "dual threats".

    Too many "Dual threats" are glorified RBs who can throw it o.k. (Denard, Martinez).

    This Damion Terry kid MSU has coming in could be in that Russell Wilson mold. Very curious to see what he can do.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    That's true. I just feel that with a dual threat, he's a chunk of your rushing yardage as well.

    My preference is a Russell Wilson-type passer. A pass-first guy that can pull it down as the 4th option on a play. Those guys (Robert Griffin is in this category) are the most dangerous weapons in CFB and the true "dual threats".

    Too many "Dual threats" are glorified RBs who can throw it o.k. (Denard, Martinez).

    This Damion Terry kid MSU has coming in could be in that Russell Wilson mold. Very curious to see what he can do.

    I think I'm misusing the term dual threat. I really mean as you stated a Russell Wilson type. Just someone that can run if designed to run or can make something of a broken play. I don't want a Denard Robinson type. Terry sounds like he could be that guy in the future.

    The moment is eternal

    Desert Green

  • Rodky -- bacon or sausage? Inquiring minds want to know

    Brodson

  • MN 21
    MSU 17

    MSU will be leading 17-14 with 4 minutes to go and the D will shit themselves again.

    "Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson

    tig ol bitties19581

  • Brodson said...

    Rodky -- bacon or sausage? Inquiring minds want to know

    Bacon, all day and twice on Sunday.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky