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WBill@ said...
Green's game today may have been his worst of the year, for the first 10 minutes we missed a dozen shots a good high school team would make.
Sherman grabbed a couple of offensive rebounds, but his total offensive output was one garbage putback.
What's so frustrating is that MSU seemed to play their "D" game and still could have pulled it out with a few breaks.
This post was edited by Optiking on 3/5/2011 at 6:11 PM
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Optiking said...
I agree, Green's production was much less than it usually is. Again he gets so many touches and usually is around the ball so much that it skews the stats. It was a poor Green by Green standards.
As far as Sherman:
That's totally incorrect.
Sherman had 7-rebounds in 12 minutes (three offensive rebounds), a block, an assist and a basket.
In just 12-minutes that is at least ten times he positively affected the game for MSU.
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Optiking said...
NEW STATS include both shooting and floor game….
Floor game:
For example some of the things you can earn a POSITIVE on are: Steals, area rebound/box out, drawing contact, drawing charges, outlet or assist passes, finishing at the rim, offensive rebounds, forcing turnovers, blocks, area defense that forces a miss, and a force tie-up among others.
Some of the things you can earn a NEGATIVE point on: Get stripped of the ball, any turnover, failure to area box out or giving up an offensive rebound, getting a shot blocked, offensive fouls, charging, traveling, area defensive that gives up an easy basket, inability to finish at the rim, losing a rebound, poor passes including alley-oop passes, poor/stupid fouls, and getting tied up with ball among others.
1. Summers: 1st half: +8/0, 2nd half: +6/-1, Totals: +14/-1, Sum=+13 2. Sherman: 1st half: +6/-1, 2nd half: +4/0, Totals: +10/-1, Sum=+9 3. Roe: 1st Half: +2/-2, 2nd half: +10/-2, Totals: +12/-4, Sum= +8 4. Green: 1st half: +5/-2, 2nd half: +9/-5. Totals: +14/-7, Sum=+7 5. Lucas: 1st Half: +3/-5, 2nd half: +8/-2, Totals: +11/-7, Sum=+4 6. Appling: 1st half: +1/-2, 2nd half: +3/-1, Totals:+4/-3, Sum= +1 7. Kebler: 1st half: +3/-2, 2nd half: +1/-1, Totals: +4/-3, Sum= +1 8. Payne 1st Half: +2/-1, 2nd half: 0/0, Totals: +2/-1, Sum= +1 9. Nix: 1st half: +1/-1, 2nd half: 0/-1, Totals: +1/-2, Sum= -1 10. Thornton: 1st half: 0/0, 2nd half: +3/-5, Totals: +3/-5, Sum= -2
NEW STATS! I have been trying to find a way to include shooting stats in the overall stats. So I am now including +1 for over 40% shooting, +2 for over 50% shooting for more than 3-shots. Also including +1 for 1-4 points scored, +2 for 5-10 points scored, +3 for 11-15 points scored, and +4 for 16-20 points scored etc.
Shooting Leaders:
1. Lucas: +5 (25-points) 7 of 19 (38%)—no extra points,------Shooting Sum=+5 2. Summers+3 (13-points) 4 of 15 (27%)—no extra points----Shooting Sum=+3 3. Appling: +2 (10-points) 3 of 7 (43%) +1 ------------------------Shooting Sum=+3 4. Green: +2 (7-points) 3 of 14 (21%)—no extra points---------Shooting Sum=+2 5. Roe+2 (6-points) 2-2 (100%)---not enough shots-------------Shooting Sum= +2 6. Sherman +1 (2-points) 1 of 1 (100%)---not enough shots---Shooting Sum=+1
OVERALL COMBINED: Floor Game and Shooting Stats:
1. Summers: Floor Game=+13, Shooting=+3, TOTAL PERFORMANCE=(+16) 2. Roe: Floor Game=+8, Shooting=+2 , TOTAL PERFORMANCE= (+10) 3. Sherman: Floor Game=+9, Shooting=+1, TOTAL PERFORMANCE=(+10) 4. Green: Floor Game=+7, Shooting=+2, TOTAL PERFORMANCE=(+9) 5. Lucas: Floor Game=+4, Shooting=+5, TOTAL PERFORMANCE=(+9) 6. Appling: Floor Game=+1, Shooting=+3, TOTAL PERFORMANCE=(+4) 7. Kebler: Floor Game=+1, Shooting=0, TOTAL PERFORMANCE=(+1) 8. Payne: Floor Game=+1, Shooting=0, TOTAL PERFORMANCE=(+1) 9. Nix : Floor game=-1, Shooting=0, TOTAL PERFORMANCE=(-1) 10. Thornton: Floor Game=-2, Shooting=0. TOTAL PERFORMANCE=(-2)
Note—If I throw in or configure free-throw shooting which I will eventually, Lucas would move up since it only includes field-goal shooting.
Question-- Lucas scored 25-points, how is he not the top player for MSU today? His floor game struggled as he led MSU with four turnovers to just 2-assists. Counter than to Morris of UM who had 6-assists and 2-turnovers.Some of his mistakes including losing the ball at the rim, a 2-foot pass to Green that was intercepted, a couple offensive charges, an intentional foul (offensive), etc. Part of the reason he struggles he is not a great passer, and he handles the ball more than anyone.
Next question, I see a lot of pluses, how did MSU lose?
A lot of the pluses were for floor game. MSU missed a lot of shots and only shot 32.8% from the field. MSU did a good job on the boards 48-35 and were +13 there, but they got into foul trouble and were outscored by +8 at the free-throw line (23-15). MSU did a good job of defending the three as UM was just 5 of 19 but, Smotrycz and Hardaway hit some big shots even though MSU did a good job on Novak. Fouls and poor shooting killed MSU.
P.S.--Charlie Sheen is now my new hero, and "I have no time for fools and trolls"
If you want to talk basketball fine.
I like this Sheenism better however....
"[I was] bangin' 7-gram rocks and finishing them because that's how I roll. I have one speed, one gear ... go!"
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Optiking said...
I agree, Green's production was much less than it usually is. Again he gets so many touches and usually is around the ball so much that it skews the stats. It was a poor Green by Green standards.
As far as Sherman:
That's totally incorrect.
Sherman had 7-rebounds in 12 minutes (three offensive rebounds), a block, an assist and a basket.
In just 12-minutes that is at least ten times he positively affected the game for MSU.
yep, thats why he got benched because he did 10 good things in12 minutes
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Optiking said...
Izzo has the chore of dividing up minutes. No one got benched.
He went with who he wanted to. To me giving Thornton 12-minutes was a disaster with 20/20 hindsight factored in.
Sherman didn't play the last 15 minutes but he didn't get benched
I bet you don't think Payne got benched either
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