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MSU/UM defense comparison

  • lollollollol

    You say that MSU lost more than UM...I guess that's technically true, but when you consider that the only guy on your defense who would have sniffed the two-deeps at MSU is Mike Martin...yeah. Doesn't really hold water. We lost Worthy, you lost Martin and a few clowns who make Deion Sanders look like Rodney Harrison. We have Bullough, Gholston, Allen, Adams, et al, returning. You have Jordan fucking Kovacs.

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  • Wheatley6 said...

    Logic fail..The statement was that MSU lost more than Michigan. You acknowlege that and then try to qualify it by saying MSU has more capable players to replace them. This may be true but it does not change the fact that MSU lost more talent on defense than Michigan.

    Since you broached the topic of logic fail: The SEC had more defensive players drafted in the first round than any other conference, so we can reseanoably conclude that they will be the worst defensive conference in the country next year - Because they lost all of that talent, correct?

    You should just make this a bit easier on yourself and acquaint yourself with the reality of MSU losing more talent each year than scUM....

    HarmostThere

  • Wheatley6 said...

    They fared very well in the Sugar bowl, they won a BCS bowl and finsihed with the best record of any Big Ten team.

    It was very clever of UM to not win their division to avoid playing in the conference championship game....while your team might not be great.....your strategy is outstanding.

    DeputyMSU

  • Here's some stats for you

    '08 MSU 35 uofFm 21
    '09 MSU 26 uofFm 20
    '10 MSU 34 uofFm 17
    '11 MSU 28 uofFm 14

    EdMartinsLoan

  • EdMartin'sLoan said...

    Here's some stats for you

    '08 MSU 35 uofFm 21
    '09 MSU 26 uofFm 20
    '10 MSU 34 uofFm 17
    '11 MSU 28 uofFm 14

    Wow, so expect 10 points this year?

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  • HarmostThere said...

    Since you broached the topic of logic fail: The SEC had more defensive players drafted in the first round than any other conference, so we can reseanoably conclude that they will be the worst defensive conference in the country next year - Because they lost all of that talent, correct?

    You should just make this a bit easier on yourself and acquaint yourself with the reality of MSU losing more talent each year than scUM....

    The SEC defenses weren't even good last year. Duke's was much better.

    Ringer23

  • Are people cool with me locking this thread? I think it's pretty much run it's course and the OP isn't around anymore. I'll let the mob rule on this one lol

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • This dude (OP) is going to come over here and tell US about having a "cupcake schedule" last year? HO LEE ****.

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  • Wheatley6 said...

    Michigan didnt play Wisconsin but thats somewhat off set by not playing the 9th ranked Indiana offense..This is being misunderstood I believe, im not saying UM defense is better than MSU, just offering some insight about UM defense that I myself a Michigan fan was very surprised by. Thats all, nothing more.

    MSU also didn't get to play Purdue or Illinois in 2011...

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Are people cool with me locking this thread? I think it's pretty much run it's course and the OP isn't around anymore. I'll let the mob rule on this one lol

    Can you out him first? Was it that douchenozzle Paranoid Android?

    mopete12

  • mopete12 said...

    Can you out him first? Was it that douchenozzle Paranoid Android?

    Yep, he's Paranoid Android.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • This is EXACTLY what Narduzzi had in mind when he said "Stats are for losers"

    jabroni

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Are people cool with me locking this thread? I think it's pretty much run it's course and the OP isn't around anymore. I'll let the mob rule on this one

    meh, it will die itself when people get bored.

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  • It's much harder to break the downvote record with a locked thread...

    Johnny Alpamayo

  • InTenSity said...

    meh, it will die itself when people get bored.

    Yeah. Besides, I'd rather him come back (if he comes back.) to this thread than start another one.

    Sp4rt4ns

  • EdMartin'sLoan said...

    Here's some stats for you

    '08 MSU 35 uofFm 21 '09 MSU 26 uofFm 20 '10 MSU 34 uofFm 17 '11 MSU 28 uofFm 14

    we've scored more in ann arbor than we have in EL... huh

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  • State fans think our defense will be as good or better because we have 8 All Big Ten at least HM players returning and a lot of depth. Walverine fans think they will be close to as good on defense because they have the bestest coaches and guys will improve a lot, and just because they're Michigan.

    Johnny2x2x

  • saleemyas3 said...

    we've scored more in ann arbor than we have in EL... huh

    FWIW, MSU took a knee at the end of regulation this past year; UM was not stopping MSU and State could have added a TD for good measure if they had been so inclined.

    Most disturbing trend if you're a UM fan is that UM is scoring fewer points every year against Dantonio: 28 in 2007, 21 in 2008, 20 in 2009, 17 in 2010 and 14 in 2011. If that keeps up, expect 10-13 points for the Wolverines this year lol

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • saleemyas3 said...

    we've scored more in ann arbor than we have in EL... huh

    Wait, are you shocked that MSU students find it easy to score in Ann Arbor? I've always found it extremely easy. Hell, every time I've been there I've felt like a freaking celebrity.

    SpartanElement

  • SpartanRocky said...

    FWIW, MSU took a knee at the end of regulation this past year; UM was not stopping MSU and State could have added a TD for good measure if they had been so inclined.

    Most disturbing trend if you're a UM fan is that UM is scoring fewer points every year against Dantonio: 28 in 2007, 21 in 2008, 20 in 2009, 17 in 2010 and 14 in 2011. If that keeps up, expect 10-13 points for the Wolverines this year lol

    And just remember, they've gotten a little bit better each year lol

    SpartanElement

  • Wheatley6 said...

    First off I am a Michigan fan and have no intention of trolling this board. I enjoy stoping in here every once and awhile. Its very clear MSU has a tough defense and im not trying to pretend otherwise but I came across these numbers and frankly was shocked by them. This was posted on Mgoblog

    Thanks to super cupcake games against Youngstown State and Florida Atlantic the numbers are a little misleading. I took a look at conference only statistics, here are some of the numbers. Note: These are from the 8 regular season conference games and do not include the conference championship game .

    Total Defense - Conference Only

    Michigan 300.9 3rd

    MSU 313.9 4th

    Rushing Defense

    Michigan 115.6 1st

    MSU 118.1 2nd

    Passing Defense

    Michigan 185.2 5th

    MSU 195.8 9th

    First Downs

    Michigan 15.6 2nd

    MSU 18.5 4th

    3rd Down Conversion %

    Michigan 30.1 1st

    MSU 33.9 2nd

    When looking at these numbers just remember Mattison and the defensive staff accomplished this in year one! MSU certainly has a good defense, no one would doubt that, but they are not nearly as dominant as many believe and they lost as much or more than Michigan did. I think our perception of the MSU defense is more favorable because they have given our offense trouble.

    http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/confonly.html

    Perhaps you should look at the schedule each team played. Congrats on the great game against a terrible Minny team, that really helped the stats. As long as you're removing the games against FAU and Youngstown State, you should remove that game from your stats.

    Wizard Sleeve

  • BEST. THREAD. EVER!

    Green Man

  • Green Man said...

    BEST. THREAD. EVER!

    Agreed, it's great to smack down the delusional Walverines, it's also great to see them disappear when they realize they are losing the argument.

    Johnny2x2x