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Major announcement by Georgia Tech RE: Football program.

  • AJC thinks it has to do with NCAA violations.

    NCAA report coming on possible violations at GT | Georgia Tech

    Georgia Tech is expecting to receive at 10 a.m. news from the NCAA into alleged violations committed by the football program within the past several

    blogs.ajc.com
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    RPMadMSU

  • The NCAA seems really mad at the Auburn thing. They have been cracking down lately after looking like fools during that.

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    Giant Moose

  • Weren't some people on this board clamoring for Paul Johnson when MD got hired? Oops.

    sprtnbrn

  • Giant Moose said...

    The NCAA seems really mad at the Auburn thing. They have been cracking down lately after looking like fools during that.

    They told off Gene Chizik and Auburn yesterday (literally):

    "Julie Roe Lach, the N.C.A.A.’s vice president for enforcement, made a presentation to the group, which included every men’s basketball coach, football coach and athletic director in the conference. When she opened up the room for discussion, Auburn’s football coach, Gene Chizik, raised his hand first.

    He peppered Roe Lach with a flurry of questions about the N.C.A.A.’s investigation into Cam Newton and why the N.C.A.A. had not publicly announced that the investigation was over. Chizik complained that the inquiry’s open-ended nature had hurt Auburn’s recruiting and he followed up at least three times, leading to a testy exchange.

    “You’ll know when we’re finished,” Roe Lach told Chizik, according to several coaches who were at the meeting. “And we’re not finished.”"

    N.C.A.A.’s Investigation of Auburn Isn’t Over Yet - NYTimes.com

    Julie Roe Lach, the N.C.A.A.’s vice president for enforcement, was questioned by Gene Chizik, Auburn’s football coach, at a recent Southeastern Conference gathering.

    www.nytimes.com
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  • sprtnbrn said...

    Weren't some people on this board clamoring for Paul Johnson when MD got hired? Oops.

    I think many of the infraction occured before Paul Johnson got there.

    I know a lot of Michigan fans who wanted Johnson in lieu of Rich Rod, but I don't think Johnson's name came up when MSU was searching.

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  • sprtnbrn said...

    Weren't some people on this board clamoring for Paul Johnson when MD got hired? Oops.

    No, but he's a good coach. Got Ga. Tech a BCS bowl.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    No, but he's a good coach. Got Ga. Tech a BCS bowl.

    I thought Nebraska should have gone after him and brought the option back to Lincoln. They made a good choice but I would have like to see what Johnson could have done there.

    Buffalo Spartan

  • Announcement moved to 3PM.

    If there are new allegations, this could be bad for the Rambling Wreck, as I believe they are still on probation.

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  • DEATH PENALTY

    Diamond Dave

  • Diamond Dave said...

    DEATH PENALTY

    I doubt the Death Penalty would ever be used again, but Ga Tech has a very recent history of nefarious activity...they claim they merely were "misapplying" eligibility rules. The NCAA has taken this excuse and has slapped them on the wrist 2 or 3 times in the last decade.

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  • RPMadMSU said...

    I doubt the Death Penalty would ever be used again, but Ga Tech has a very recent history of nefarious activity...they claim they merely were "misapplying" eligibility rules. The NCAA has taken this excuse and has slapped them on the wrist 2 or 3 times in the last decade.

    one of those was complete crap. I just wish I had more substance (I can't remember the details). But there was one case were they got hit really hard for something really minor and stupid

    Tiger v Gorilla

  • RPMadMSU said...

    I doubt the Death Penalty would ever be used again, but Ga Tech has a very recent history of nefarious activity...they claim they merely were "misapplying" eligibility rules. The NCAA has taken this excuse and has slapped them on the wrist 2 or 3 times in the last decade.

    I agree. Whenever a school is under investigation, someone on here calls for the Death Penalty. Just getting it out of the way.

    Diamond Dave

  • Diamond Dave said...

    I agree. Whenever a school is under investigation, someone on here calls for the Death Penalty. Just getting it out of the way.

    I think the "Death Penalty" or a watered down form (if you will) of the Death Penalty needs to be applied in some cases.

    OSU for example.

    Even if nothing else comes out, OSU knowingly played an entire season with ineligible players. Don't give me crap about "it was only Tressel." The captain going down with the ship doesn't save the ship.

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  • RPMadMSU said...

    I think the "Death Penalty" or a watered down form (if you will) of the Death Penalty needs to be applied in some cases.

    OSU for example.

    Even if nothing else comes out, OSU knowingly played an entire season with ineligible players. Don't give me crap about "it was only Tressel." The captain going down with the ship doesn't save the ship.

    From what has been made public, tOSU stuff isn't in the same galaxy as SMU.

    Ron_in_ATL

  • I think when the next NCAA president takes the job, he or she should just give some random school the death penalty for no reason at all, just to show there's a new sheriff in town and that he or she means business.

    I love lamp.

    Motionfan

  • Ron_in_ATL said...

    From what has been made public, tOSU stuff isn't in the same galaxy as SMU.

    No, it's not, that why a watered down version should be applied. They could never cancel a BCS AQ schools media or eliminate the program/season.

    Not necessarily for OSU, but I'd like to see some punishments with teeth.

    But they could ban them from National TV appearances, i.e. they can only be on regional coverage or in the case of OSU, the Big Ten Network.

    I'd like to see the NCAA really take away scholarships. Like cancel a whole class for a school.

    Conference Championship Game bans.

    I'd like to see the NCAA suspend players/coaches during investigations if the evidence warrants it. They can do that, they just choose not to.

    Large program fines - basically make it too expensive to cheat.

    There has to be some deterrent to cheating, and there really isn't right now. That's the major problem with the NCAA. It's too beneficial to cheat.

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  • Motionfan said...

    I think when the next NCAA president takes the job, he or she should just give some random school the death penalty for no reason at all, just to show there's a new sheriff in town and that he or she means business.

    They just got a new President, and a new head of enforcement.

    Both have talked a big game, but neither has actually done much...yet.

    Remember also, the NCAA is a member organization, they have to answer to the majority of membership (I.e. the University Presidents).

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  • RPMadMSU said...

    I think the "Death Penalty" or a watered down form (if you will) of the Death Penalty needs to be applied in some cases.

    OSU for example.

    Even if nothing else comes out, OSU knowingly played an entire season with ineligible players. Don't give me crap about "it was only Tressel." The captain going down with the ship doesn't save the ship.

    The OSU stuff is nowhere near the SMU situation. Not even close.

    Diamond Dave

  • RPMadMSU said...

    No, it's not, that why a watered down version should be applied. They could never cancel a BCS AQ schools media or eliminate the program/season.

    Not necessarily for OSU, but I'd like to see some punishments with teeth.

    But they could ban them from National TV appearances, i.e. they can only be on regional coverage or in the case of OSU, the Big Ten Network.

    I'd like to see the NCAA really take away scholarships. Like cancel a whole class for a school.

    Conference Championship Game bans.

    I'd like to see the NCAA suspend players/coaches during investigations if the evidence warrants it. They can do that, they just choose not to.

    Large program fines - basically make it too expensive to cheat.

    There has to be some deterrent to cheating, and there really isn't right now. That's the major problem with the NCAA. It's too beneficial to cheat.

    National TV bans for OSU hurt their opponents badly. Counterproductive. And ESPN would howl.

    Diamond Dave

  • RPMadMSU said...

    I think the "Death Penalty" or a watered down form (if you will) of the Death Penalty needs to be applied in some cases.

    OSU for example.

    Even if nothing else comes out, OSU knowingly played an entire season with ineligible players. Don't give me crap about "it was only Tressel." The captain going down with the ship doesn't save the ship.

    You obviously aren't a history student. The implementation of the so called "death penalty" would be disasterous for the conference as a whole. All of the other conference teams would suffer. Remember the South West Conference? Of course you don't, and one of the principal reasons why it no longer exists is due to the imposition of the "death penalty" upon SMU.

    SMU's violations were agregiousl and involved the direct payment of many $$$$'s to players and recruits by SMU alumns. The coaching staff and the AD knew it was happening and encouraged the payments, hence the lack of instituional control violaiton ruling. There has been no evidence that Tressell knew of the selling by the eplayers until told by the lawyer/former player. Tressell didn't pass along that information to his superior and hence the "lack of institutional control" violation does not appear to be present in this instance

    "I think the world is run by C students" Al Mcguire

    rob

  • rob said...

    You obviously aren't a history student. The implementation of the so called "death penalty" would be disasterous for the conference as a whole. All of the other conference teams would suffer. Remember the South West Conference? Of course you don't, and one of the principal reasons why it no longer exists is due to the imposition of the "death penalty" upon SMU.

    SMU's violations were agregiousl and involved the direct payment of many $$$$'s to players and recruits by SMU alumns. The coaching staff and the AD knew it was happening and encouraged the payments, hence the lack of instituional control violaiton ruling. There has been no evidence that Tressell knew of the selling by the eplayers until told by the lawyer/former player. Tressell didn't pass along that information to his superior and hence the "lack of institutional control" violation does not appear to be present in this instance

    The SWC was dirty top to bottom, SMU is just the peak.

    That's why I said "Watered Down" version of the death penalty. They could never cancel seasons with the contracts they have now in place. But they could cancel a whole recruiting class....they could fine them back to the stone-age for a year...they could limit their national exposure.

    Tressel knew it was happening, and played his players anyway...then actually had the Big Ten lobby to keep them eligible for a bowl game.

    Players were getting $$$ from boosters in a round about way, the coach; the head of the department, knew about it and played em as if nothing happened, or was happening. OSU basically admitted last week that they were playing ineligible players but forfeiting the season.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by RPMadMSU on 7/14/2011 at 1:16 PM

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  • Motionfan said...

    I think when the next NCAA president takes the job, he or she should just give some random school the death penalty for no reason at all, just to show there's a new sheriff in town and that he or she means business.

    Wait until someone from the current crop of pissed off college students makes it to an administrative role within the NCAA MSUhammer

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  • RPMadMSU said...

    The SWC was dirty top to bottom, SMU is just the peak.

    That's why I said "Watered Down" version of the death penalty. They could never cancel seasons with the contracts they have now in place.

    If you watched the 30 for 30 "Pony Excess" you would see that SMU was not the peak, just the new guy on the block that didn't have decades of history and a huge fan base to worry about, so they were chosen to get the hammer. Or at least that is what their alumni from the 80's believe.

    Cucumber Breath

  • RPMadMSU said...

    The SWC was dirty top to bottom, SMU is just the peak.

    That's why I said "Watered Down" version of the death penalty. They could never cancel seasons with the contracts they have now in place.

    Why even mention death penalty?? Water down or lukewarm version.

    Ron_in_ATL

  • 2009 ACC Title will be vacated

    http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/30613412

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