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  • spartans17 said...

    Yawn. All of this is greatly exaggerated and basically the worst-case scenario.

    The physicians you mention, that work 70 hours a week, are the ones who chose that lifestyle. They are the ones who chose to do something ridiculously competitive/niche (like cardiothoracic surgery or something) and the payoff for them is worth it (probably 400 to 500K).

    Others don't care for a hectic lifestyle and work 8 to 5 as a family physician or an internist. Some open their own clinics and enjoy whatever hours they wish if things go well. Others go into ophtho, radiology, anesthesiology - collect a cool 200+ a year - and live very good lifestyles.

    Yeah uh every doc in the field I'm matched into has worked those hours at least until late 30's. In my opinion you really have to do that in ANY surgical field.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by RaptorCaptor on 5/3/2012 at 8:37 PM

    RaptorCaptor

  • spartans17 said...

    Yawn. All of this is greatly exaggerated and basically the worst-case scenario.

    The physicians you mention, that work 70 hours a week, are the ones who chose that lifestyle. They are the ones who chose to do something ridiculously competitive/niche (like cardiothoracic surgery or something) and the payoff for them is worth it (probably 400 to 500K).

    Others don't care for a hectic lifestyle and work 8 to 5 as a family physician or an internist. Some open their own clinics and enjoy whatever hours they wish if things go well. Others go into ophtho, radiology, anesthesiology - collect a cool 200+ a year - and live very good lifestyles.

    And what kind of terrible deal do the radiologists and anesthesiologists you work with have where they are pulling around 200k a year?

    Lets be honest there is a reason the popularity of diagnostic rads was at a 10 year low this year. Optho reimbursement has gone down steadily since the mid 90's. I can see gas being a decent field, though encrouchment of midlevels scared many of my classmates away.

    RaptorCaptor

  • Izzo Court said...

    Worst case scenario is a med school in Barbados.

    What do you mean worst case scenario? Seems legit to me. Plus, the eye candy has to be better.

    This post was edited by Snowy Spartan on 5/3/2012 at 8:37 PM

    Snowy Spartan

  • The Hazer said...

    How long ago did you apply? I have friends who got into lower tier medical schools with 3.7 Honors GPA and a 32 on the MCAT.

    It's really damn competitive to get into an MD program nowadays. For example, a 26 sure as hell isn't getting you into Wayne State, and that's the worst legit medical school in this area.

    Uh oh. I think there is a few Wayne State students here who might come out of the woodworks to battle that statement!!!! biggrin

    CHM all the way!

    RaptorCaptor

  • Snowy Spartan said...

    What do you mean worst case scenario? Seems legit to me. Plus, the eye candy has to be better.

    Serious?

    RaptorCaptor

  • The Hazer said...

    How long ago did you apply? I have friends who got into lower tier medical schools with 3.7 Honors GPA and a 32 on the MCAT.

    It's really damn competitive to get into an MD program nowadays. For example, a 26 sure as hell isn't getting you into Wayne State, and that's the worst legit medical school in this area.

    That's not true. You can get into pretty much any MD school in the state other than UM with a 26 if the rest of your application is strong enough, I promise you.

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  • RaptorCaptor said...

    Yeah uh every doc in the field I'm matched into has worked those hours at least until late 30's. In my opinion you really have to do that in ANY surgical field.

    My bad...I didn't realize that all physicians were surgeons.

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  • chpueblo22 said...

    That's not true. You can get into pretty much any MD school in the state other than UM with a 26 if the rest of your application is strong enough, I promise you.

    It will be a challenge.

    RaptorCaptor

  • RaptorCaptor said...

    It will be a challenge.

    I think you would be surprised. I would imagine 20-25% of the classes at CHM and WSU have 26 or below.

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  • The Hazer said...

    How long ago did you apply? I have friends who got into lower tier medical schools with 3.7 Honors GPA and a 32 on the MCAT.

    It's really damn competitive to get into an MD program nowadays. For example, a 26 sure as hell isn't getting you into Wayne State, and that's the worst legit medical school in this area.

    I haven't applied. But I know many people who have been in the 25-28 range and gotten into allopathic schools. Like I said, MCAT is not the only factor. If the rest of your application is strong and you have good interview skills, you still stand a shot. Is it harder than if you had a 31+? Yes.

    Macks ●

  • chpueblo22 said...

    My bad...I didn't realize that all physicians were surgeons.

    I'm just saying, I don't have many classmates... even ones entering IM and Rads that don't plan on a fellowship.

    RaptorCaptor

  • The Hazer said...

    Wayne State is a fine medical school, I'm just saying it to give him an idea. A 26 might get him someplace in the Caribbean?

    Then you're an FMG and unless you're in medical school (and you may be) it is hard to explain why that is such a bad position to be in.

    This post was edited by RaptorCaptor on 5/3/2012 at 8:50 PM

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  • chpueblo22 said...

    I think you would be surprised. I would imagine 20-25% of the classes at CHM and WSU have 26 or below.

    I'm not sure. CHM had an average of like 30.5 or something this year and even if the standard deviation was 4 (which is pretty generous) only 16% of the class would be below a 26.5. (Assuming it's fairly normal, which I believe it usually is).

    RaptorCaptor

  • chpueblo22 said...

    This is not true.

    It is absolutely true. Look at the median and mean of the schools in MI and you'll see that I'm right. If you are accepted with a 26 into an MD school, one of these must be true:

    1) You are black, Hispanic, Native American, or the last of a dying race on Earth
    2) You have ridiculous activities: not just above average, but you likely have published heavily, started a successful non-profit, used to be a world-class pianist, had a disease named after you (for curing it), etc... Something along those lines.
    3) You have incriminating photos of someone.

    I know it's PC to give the "oh there are MANY other factors, don't worry!" answer, but don't BS the kid. Unless he is ridiculously accomplished in some other field (or a minority), then a 26 will get him into MSU's DO school. Or the Caribbeans.

    spartans17

  • Macks said...

    Wrong. MCAT is only one part of a large application. GPA matters, volunteering matters, research matters, leadership matters, essays matter, interview matters.

    The 26 might be "low" enough to screen you out of some true top tier schools, but if the rest of your application is strong you still have a decent chance.

    More bullshit from the dinosaurs in the field. Everyone who applies nowadays has, as an AVERAGE, a 30 MCAT, leadership, volunteering, research, strong essays, a solid GPA, etc...

    You will never have a decent chance with a 26. It will always be a huge hole in your application, and you will need some skill/activity/talent/attribute that only 1% of the population possesses to garner serious interest.

    spartans17

  • RaptorCaptor said...

    Yeah uh every doc in the field I'm matched into has worked those hours at least until late 30's. In my opinion you really have to do that in ANY surgical field.

    Right, and going into surgery, you CHOSE that lifestyle. There were options available to you that would have been much less stressful on your lifestyle.

    spartans17

  • spartans17 said...

    More bullshit from the dinosaurs in the field. Everyone who applies nowadays has, as an AVERAGE, a 30 MCAT, leadership, volunteering, research, strong essays, a solid GPA, etc...

    You will never have a decent chance with a 26. It will always be a huge hole in your application, and you will need some skill/activity/talent/attribute that only 1% of the population possesses to garner serious interest.

    Are you or have you been on admissions?

    RaptorCaptor

  • spartans17 said...

    More bullshit from the dinosaurs in the field. Everyone who applies nowadays has, as an AVERAGE, a 30 MCAT, leadership, volunteering, research, strong essays, a solid GPA, etc...

    You will never have a decent chance with a 26. It will always be a huge hole in your application, and you will need some skill/activity/talent/attribute that only 1% of the population possesses to garner serious interest.

    Well, I sit on the admissions committee for an in-state allopathic medical school and reviewed the applications of all the interviewed and accepted applicants this past year....but ya know...you probably know a little better than I do, having checked out the AAMC website and all.

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  • spartans17 said...

    Right, and going into surgery, you CHOSE that lifestyle. There were options available to you that would have been much less stressful on your lifestyle.

    You seem to be well versed. What are the "low stress" and "lifestyle" fields. I would say there are three. Dermatology, Rad Onc, and PMNR. Otherwise residency and fellowship are gonna be a bitch for everyone.

    RaptorCaptor

  • chpueblo22 said...

    Well, I sit on the admissions committee for an in-state allopathic medical school and reviewed the applications of all the interviewed and accepted applicants this past year....but ya know...you probably know a little better than I do, having checked out the AAMC website and all.

    Agree with you on your overall point with a fair bit of knowledge on the subject. I think spartans17 is taking it to an extreme.

    RaptorCaptor

  • Calvin'sJohnson said...

    My MCAT is in 2 weeks, and im going bonkers....entertain me, help me from freaking out. Make me feel better

    Ha ha!

    LoneWolfSparty

  • RaptorCaptor said...

    Agree with you on your overall point with a fair bit of knowledge on the subject. I think spartans17 is taking it to an extreme.

    It's just dumb. Given the OP has probably bounced and now it is just a bunch of med student bickering amongst themselves. Why not be supportive and helpful rather than spouting off about your negative opinions which are inaccurate and misguiding? This is a forum that is supposed to be supportive and helpful to fellow Spartans...unless they post dumb shit about UM or stories about their girlfriends without pics.....in which case lynchmob

    edit: while I responded to you, I was primarily referring to spartans17.

    edit2: I remembered that the OP was CJ and his posts are almost universally awful so now my rant seems even more misguided.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by chpueblo22 on 5/3/2012 at 9:06 PM

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  • RaptorCaptor said...

    Serious?

    lol No. Not at all. I sure as hell hope my doctor didn't go to school in barbados.

    Snowy Spartan

  • chpueblo22 said...

    Well, I sit on the admissions committee for an in-state allopathic medical school and reviewed the applications of all the interviewed and accepted applicants this past year....but ya know...you probably know a little better than I do, having checked out the AAMC website and all.

    I sit on the admissions council at an OOS school. The only candidates that, to my knowledge, were accepted with an MCAT that low were minorities, or students with exceptional extra-curriculars/amazing life stories.

    Care to refute that? I'd love to hear about all the average candidates that your school accepted w/ an MCAT of 26.

    spartans17

  • RaptorCaptor said...

    You seem to be well versed. What are the "low stress" and "lifestyle" fields. I would say there are three. Dermatology, Rad Onc, and PMNR. Otherwise residency and fellowship are gonna be a bitch for everyone.

    Sure they are. I'm talking about life after residency. There are many more fields than just those 3 that are relatively more stress free than the surgical specialties.

    spartans17

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