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I'd be interested to see how many people, if we started recruiting like Cal does and won a couple NC's with one and dones, would stick to their "I'm ashamed by the way we're conducting ourselves, yes these NC's are nice, but I'm embarrassed by how we're doing it and want more Suton like players I can watch develop" viewpoints. I'm calling BS, and whether right or wrong I think too many people would be blinded by the winning to actually step back and question whether we were doing it the right way. I'm not saying the way Cal does it is the best way to win or better then the way Izzo does it, just saying that if Izzo was recruiting how Cal does and winning, nobody would actually care.

It's easy to say oh I'd do this and that, but don't most of us want Jabari Parker, and Jahlil Okafor the next year? Aren't they from the same Chicago cesspool as Anthony Davis where you don't get anybody without a few dollars, as alleged on tRCMB? I know I'll probably get negged to hell for this, but I think most fanbases will always remain blissfully ignorant IF anything is going on at their school (and I still haven't seen anything tangible to prove it's going on at KU) and I think we would all do the same.

I don't think Cal's cheating right now. He's just a mercenary like the kids he recruits. He cares nothing about developing relationships with these kids and helping them grow as men. All he gives a fuck about is winning.

Just reason number 5 million why we have the best coach in the game. I'd much rather see MSU win with a group of upperclassmen. Kids that know toil and sacrifice. When it's all said and done the journey is really the reward. I feel a lot better about where Austin Thornton started from and where he ended up after 5 years than a kid only in school because of a bullshit rule.

I tend to agree with this.

I think Cal is a total shit bag, but I also don't think he's violating any rules. I think the rules just provide shitty incentives for there to be a system that promotes all the warm fuzzies that our fan base apparently loves more than winning National Titles.

My question to the folks that think he's definitively cheating, as in straight up breaking rules, is there any sort of evidence or rule scheme that would convince you he wasn't cheating to get that talent?

Frankly, all the "Kentucky is ruining college bball, etc." talk just sounds like sour grapes because of the shit load of talent Cal has and how good Kentucky has been this year.

I think the hate is misdirected and as such less likely to lead to any meaningful changes.

We actually get to have our cake and eat it too. We get the warm and fuzzies along with a better system. Last I checked, Izzo still has a better resume than Cal. And if Cal wins the title tomorrow, he will only be tied with Izzo in that department.

Yep. I wonder if there would even be threads on Kentucky ruining college basketball if they were 13-17 each year. People just primarily hate on them because they win. They fall on the "they definitely cheat" bandwagon as their reason when frankly there just isn't a whole lot of proof. The NCAA took a Heisman Trophy away from a dude and stripped a national title in football. If something is dug up, they'll look into it. But as of right now, enjoy the basketball. Jesus.. this is a good team... maybe one of the best in the last 20 years along with the Florida repeat team and Duke in 01.

What would people have the NCAA do? The one and done rule isn't going away. If anything it'll be bumped up to two years, in which case Anthony Davis would be tea bagging people ten-fold next year. I can't jump on to the "get rid of the rule and let them go straight to the pros" argument. Even a year of college is much better for these kids than being in the NBA at 18. It makes the quality of play better as well in the college game.

I'd think more people might be ashamed if something like that turned up at MSU, if only because of the environment. Meaning, people have little else in Kentucky sportswise other than Kentucky basketball. Sort of like Alabama football. Since that's the only thing they have going on, they will give anything for wins. Meanwhile, in Michigan and at MSU we have other programs/teams, so we aren't cashing in our firstborn child for a championship.

I could be wrong...just a hypothesis. I just see more desperation in those fanbases.

I wish Tom Izzo would start recruiting dirty again, like when we got Mateen and Mo Pete. Clearly cheated to get those guys or they would end up at Michigan.

- Steely Nucky