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What the fuck is that gibberish? I already explained how and why BTN brings in so much money. And what is this stuff about NBC not giving all the money to ND? You aren't even making sense.

So you want to talk future contracts. Let's talk that. ND's ratings and performance have been SHIT. They aren't worth the $9M or the $15M they are getting from NBC now. ABC isn't going to open up their wallets for a team that hasn't performed up to the standard that merits big money like that for nearly 20 years. Do you think ABC is going to give the Big Ten an additional $150M over the next ten years to broadcast a team that's gone 2-9 in bowl games?

But for the sake of fun, I'll humor you. Let's say ND does bring in an additional $15M a year to the ABC contract. with likely only having 2 games per year actually on BTN, ND still isn't going to sell $29M in advertising on BTN to break even. Not in only two games they aren't.

What do you mean by cutting out the middle man? what middle man is there? Nobody is going to pay $7M for shitty ND basketball.

Your math is busted. There is no way ND can pay for itself.

NBC is the middle man. Plus it's not $7 million. Please read my posts. You are including bowl money, basketball tournament money, and licensing. The money B10 teams get from tv is $17 million.

It's a 2 million difference, and that does not even count basketball. Then add in the fact ND licensing is huge, along with bowl money and tournament basketball and the numbers are very close.

Sorry, but your math has been busted.

Oops, I almost forgot. Most of that $17 million is from the ABC/ESPN contract, not the BTN revenues. So you can't say Fox gets 51% of the revenue so therefore it's $44 million. First of all, it's 17 from television not 22 as I noted. Second, most of that money is from ESPN/ABC not the BTN deal.

I don't know how much more I can break this down, but your numbers are way off and make no sense.

I said, ok, let's take ND as 4th. I went with it. ND is still the #1 fanbase not in the B10. So it is bigger than any other fanbase we are discussing. I was pointing out an obvious flaw with the poll that you know is true. I don't have another poll, but let's face it, you can create a poll to make anything true if you word it right.

How about this. Of all the teams that the B10 could add, ND has the largest fanbase. Cool?

I love semantics.

edit: I believe the Harris Poll stopped asking this question, but I know ND led for many years. This is way back in 2004, but it would be pretty amazing that Ohio State made up the difference ended up with 33% more fans in 8 years. These polls always have flaws.

BTW, I added a random link from 2004 that showed ND as #1. I knew there were Harris Polls that had ND as #1, but I can't find anything more recent. I think they stopped asking the question. Anyway, moot point is moot.

Nvm, you were talking about the one I posted. I know it's not really relevant at this point. It was simply all I could find. As for Maryland, you don't even need a poll. They get less than 40k at their football games these days. Maryland would be like adding Indiana to the conference.

no...the B12 defections were because of one reason and one reason only: UT Austin's megalomania and refusal to share the riches. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

ND see's itself as a Texas without the burden of being in a conference. Because the Big East was foolish enough to allow ND to get in with an everything except football clause, they have been able to keep their other programs alive. (Try being an independent in hoops, baseball, soffball etc)

What Bob in Houston says isn't born out by the facts. Nebraska, TAMU, Missouri had been chaffing about the Big 12 revenue split agreement for years. When rumors about a possible Longhorn Network started leaking it confirmed what direction the Big 12 was taking.

ND will still want preferential treatment and special football revenue arrangements because they are ND. That card can't be played in the Big Ten and doesn't look like it would fly in the ACC. PAC12 won't work due to geography. Doubtful ND football wants any part of being in the SEC so that leaves the Big 12 and Big East. Does anyone really think ND wants to be in a conference with a majority of its members in Texas?

I really don't want to go through this again, but here's a quick summary.

It was Nebraska that demanded unequal revenue sharing when the B12 was formed. Texas A&M voted with them every step of the way. That was because they benefited from it. When they wanted to leave, they bitched.

When Kevin Weiberg proposed a B12 network (before he went to the Big Ten and helped set up BTN), it was voted down 11-1. No one knows who the one was, but it couldn't be Nebraska (they wanted their own network, too), AND A&M, AND Missouri, AND Colorado.

Texas told everyone for years that it wanted to start its own network, before the BTN became a cash cow. It asked A&M to join them when A&M was pinching pennies. A&M said no. In 2010, when Texas, for the last time, said, we're going ahead, A&M asked to get in and was turned down. Only AFTER ESPN gave Texas a $15 mil check did the Aggies claim the LHN was an unfair advantage.

The high school issues that ticked off so many people came from ESPN's guy, not Texas. There is no way that Texas would let the LHN founder because of a demand to show high school sports. That would be foolish and against the reason they wanted to have it in the first place.

Of course, Texas is a big dog. But people that dumped on them on the way were and still are, in the case of the Aggies, partly looking to deflect.

Would you guys just get a room?

thanks

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