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OT: The Diabetes Explosion

  • Fitting that these two threads follow each other on the board right now.

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  • bulldogg said...

    We are hyper sensitive to this topic because we both apparently have children that have been dx with Type 1 and constantly fight the misconception that it was the diet that caused the disease. This couldn't be further from the truth.

    I have spent many hours in research updates for JDRF and while donating my time, dollars, and blood to programs like TrialNet whose goal it is to prevent and cure the disease. No offense, but I think I'm going to believe their findings instead of your babble.

    I was careful about my comments until you insinuated that a poor diet also causes Type 1 and that is just false.

    Big difference between causing increased diagnosis and causing the disease... But no more crazy than saying its because more people are humping after meeting on singleswithtype1.com.

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Autoimmune issues are exacerbated by shitty diet. Juvenile diabetes and the massive increase in type 1 that comes on later in life are different animals. Lots of people with type 2 develop type 1 due to prolonged insulin resistance and the pancreas eventually says f this I'm out.

    You are backpedaling now.

    Almost everything you said in this post is just not correct.

    bulldogg

  • bulldogg said...

    You are backpedaling now.

    Almost everything you said in this post is just not correct.

    Lol, diet makes everything worse, you're just sensitive that people think you're to blame even though I never said that. Autoimmune issues are up across the board.... You can believe its breeding, I will believe its diet.

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Lol, diet makes everything worse, you're just sensitive that people think you're to blame even though I never said that. Autoimmune issues are up across the board.... You can believe its breeding, I will believe its diet.

    Now you are being an ass. I've never thought that people think I'm too blame. My kid has never been more than the 15 percentile in weight and never ate poorly.

    Diet is a huge problem in the world today and does make many matters worse ... however it doesn't cause autoimmune diseases or increase their number of diagnoses. It would be like saying that a poor diet increases the number of passing TDs in the NFL. There just is no scientific correlation. Sorry.

    bulldogg

  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Lol, diet makes everything worse, you're just sensitive that people think you're to blame even though I never said that. Autoimmune issues are up across the board.... You can believe its breeding, I will believe its diet.

    Over generalizing, and generally you are taking facts down the twisted path of conjecture.

    It is true, diabetes is exploding in near epidemic proportions. And type I is an outgrowth of an auto immune disorder. But there is no correlation between type I diabetes and diet. Conversely, there is a strong correlation between type 2 and diet. They are two different animals. With proper diet and reduction of weight, many can find that they eliminate all meds associated with control of type 2 diabetes. Again conversely, as of today, there is no cure or change in diet that can eliminate insulin from the regimen of a type I diabetic.

    Bottom line....diet can lead to type 2 diabetes. Diet is important to the control of type 1, but is not a causal factor.

    Spartans ...committed to bring Paul Bunyan home in 2013.

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  • bulldogg said...

    Now you are being an ass. I've never thought that people think I'm too blame. My kid has never been more than the 15 percentile in weight and never ate poorly.

    Diet is a huge problem in the world today and does make many matters worse ... however it doesn't cause autoimmune diseases or increase their number of diagnoses. It would be like saying that a poor diet increases the number of passing TDs in the NFL. There just is no scientific correlation. Sorry.

    You're right, it's probably all the humping.

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  • DDRMSU said...

    Bottom line....diet can lead to type 2 diabetes. Diet is important to the control of type 1, but is not a causal factor.

    Exactly.

    bulldogg

  • DDRMSU said...

    Bottom line....diet can lead to type 2 diabetes. Diet is important to the control of type 1, but is not a causal factor.

    ... and diet probably isn't even as important to control type 1 as most people think.

    A good diet is important to everyone for numerous reasons. People with Type 1 can eat sugars (from cupcakes to fruit) just like everyone else, they just have to understand the amount of carbohydrates in every morsel of food and account for that either with a shot or an insulin pump.

    The problem is that doing a shot or giving a bolus of insulin with a pump isn't perfect and will cause blood sugar levels to fluctuate due to the different timing of the carbs in different types of foods and accuracy of the guess of carbs.

    bulldogg

  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Nobody has said that. But hey, wanna make it worse, eat a bunch of saccharide riddled shit. You guys are hyper sensitive to this point and can't even rationalize. I never said diet CAUSES TYPE 1, I said it is the reason IT IS EXPLODING IN DIAGNOSIS.

    but here is the deal. Imma take my healthy body, and healthy genes, and eat my low carb, gluten free, Paleo diet... And we can compare notes in about 80 years.

    I think you are painting Type 1 diabetics as nothing more than irresponsible people with shitty diets. Take your expert information from Web MD and shove it up your ass.

    I am married to a Type 1 diabetic (diagnosed at 13) and I can tell you you have a lot of fucking nerve to give such casual opinions about something that doesn't directly affect your life.

    I doubt you have any idea what it is like to have a disease that cannot be cured, only managed. So until that time, keep your textbook definitions to your fucking self.

    Fucking asshole.

    Brody Beach

  • bulldogg said...

    ... and diet probably isn't even as important to control type 1 as most people think.

    A good diet is important to everyone for numerous reasons. People with Type 1 can eat sugars (from cupcakes to fruit) just like everyone else, they just have to understand the amount of carbohydrates in every morsel of food and account for that either with a shot or an insulin pump.

    The problem is that doing a shot or giving a bolus of insulin with a pump isn't perfect and will cause blood sugar levels to fluctuate due to the different timing of the carbs in different types of foods and accuracy of the guess of carbs.

    All exactly correct. I've lived this every day now for 38 years. Don't let it slow me down, and consequently, I'm no poster child for perfect control. But I do remain cognizant that good diet can help with control, though a cure is simply not likely.

    Spartans ...committed to bring Paul Bunyan home in 2013.

    DDRMSU

  • Brody Beach said...

    I think you are painting Type 1 diabetics as nothing more than irresponsible people with shitty diets. Take your expert information from Web MD and shove it up your ass.

    I am married to a Type 1 diabetic (diagnosed at 13) and I can tell you you have a lot of fucking nerve to give such casual opinions about something that doesn't directly affect your life.

    I doubt you have any idea what it is like to have a disease that cannot be cured, only managed. So until that time, keep your textbook definitions to your fucking self.

    Fucking asshole.

    Most of my family has dealt with either type 1 or type 2, researching it for my personal health is how I came to form my opinions. Environment, largely diet based, is widely recognized as the primary factor behind the increase in occurrence and diagnosis.

    I haven't once said a diet causes it, but the only other explanation is all these people getting it that has been suggested here is more fucked up genes.... I call bullshit on that. It's the triggers that cause genetic expression and diet is a major one. You get it from birth, but something has to turn it on. This is how auto immunities work.

    And fuck you too

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Most of my family has dealt with either type 1 or type 2, researching it for my personal health is how I came to form my opinions. Environment, largely diet based, is widely recognized as the primary factor behind the increase in occurrence and diagnosis.

    I haven't once said a diet causes it, but the only other explanation is all these people getting it that has been suggested here is more fucked up genes.... I call bullshit on that. It's the triggers that cause genetic expression and diet is a major one. You get it from birth, but something has to turn it on. This is how auto immunities work.

    And fuck you too

    You are a piece of shit. Plain and simple.

    Brody Beach

  • Brody Beach said...

    You are a piece of shit. Plain and simple.

    You seem really bent out of shape over suggesting that autoimmune disease can be turned on by diet. I'm not suggesting it is preventable (are we supposed to never eat gluten for fear we might one day turn on our celiac disease?), just that changes in modern diet is a major factor in the instances of autoimmune, among them type 1 diabetes.

    People with Lupus, celiac, etc. have all been helped with ketogenenic diets... To me that suggests a diet that combats the impacts of a disease can plausibly trigger it's onset.

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Most of my family has dealt with either type 1 or type 2, researching it for my personal health is how I came to form my opinions. Environment, largely diet based, is widely recognized as the primary factor behind the increase in occurrence and diagnosis.

    I haven't once said a diet causes it, but the only other explanation is all these people getting it that has been suggested here is more fucked up genes.... I call bullshit on that. It's the triggers that cause genetic expression and diet is a major one. You get it from birth, but something has to turn it on. This is how auto immunities work.

    And fuck you too

    By "dealing with type 1 or type 2", I'm assuming that you say that because you don't understand the difference.

    Stop making things up. Diet is NOT "widely recognized as the primary factor behind the increase in occurrence and diagnosis". Well, I take that back it may be ... Among the uneducated in trailer parks.

    Again, it has nothing to due with it. Want another explanation? Obviously the increase in obesity would cause an increase in type 2 (and, again, I'm fully aware that obesity isn't the only cause of type 2). With that increase, the advancement of technology, and the increased awareness, it only makes since that there is an increase in diagnosis of type 1. It is just easier to make that diagnosis now. 30 years ago they were squeezing urine out of a diaper. Today it takes 5 seconds from a $20 meter bought at Walgreens ... And it is 100 times more accurate.

    bulldogg

  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Most of my family has dealt with either type 1 or type 2, researching it for my personal health is how I came to form my opinions. Environment, largely diet based, is widely recognized as the primary factor behind the increase in occurrence and diagnosis.

    I haven't once said a diet causes it, but the only other explanation is all these people getting it that has been suggested here is more fucked up genes.... I call bullshit on that. It's the triggers that cause genetic expression and diet is a major one. You get it from birth, but something has to turn it on. This is how auto immunities work.

    And fuck you too

    Type I was seen enough 2000 years ago that it was recognized and named; without the presence of FCS and processed grains in the diet. 

    Yes, something food-related MAY serve as a trigger to the genetic proclivity, but it is more likely a small piece of the puzzle, rather than a direct causative.

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  • bulldogg said...

    By "dealing with type 1 or type 2", I'm assuming that you say that because you don't understand the difference.

    Stop making things up. Diet is NOT "widely recognized as the primary factor behind the increase in occurrence and diagnosis". Well, I take that back it may be ... Among the uneducated in trailer parks.

    Again, it has nothing to due with it. Want another explanation? Obviously the increase in obesity would cause an increase in type 2 (and, again, I'm fully aware that obesity isn't the only cause of type 2). With that increase, the advancement of technology, and the increased awareness, it only makes since that there is an increase in diagnosis of type 1. It is just easier to make that diagnosis now. 30 years ago they were squeezing urine out of a diaper. Today it takes 5 seconds from a $20 meter bought at Walgreens ... And it is 100 times more accurate.

    I've had multiple family members with one or the other. I agree with you, modern technology is making it easier to diagnose and that in and of itself will cause an increase in diagnosis.

    But environmental factors are solely the reason those shitty genes go to work in the first place. Or do you not believe in genetic expression?

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