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Oladipo vs Burke for Player of Year?

  • Charlie Kelly said...

    To hit a 3 at the end of the game? Prolly stauskus or THJ (both shoot a higher % from 3) coming off a screen, not burke dribbling around and then take a contested fade away 3.

    Maybe but you always put the ball in the hands of your best player. He's their best clutch player. This is really an absolute no brainer. Any coach worth shit would do the same.

    MSchott ●

  • 2 best players in the country are 2 guys who had last minute offers. Ratings aren't everything.

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    Eggy ●

  • Oladipo is a great player with tons of potential but I am surprised this is even a contest.
    Burke to Oladipo
    Pts per game 19.1 to 13.7
    Assists per game 6.9 to 2.1
    TO per game 1.9 to 2.3
    Yes, you read that right, Oladipo has more TO than assists while Burke is 3.65:1.
    Burke also shoots 5% higher at the line.

    Nice cherry picking on the stats OP.

    Michigan Hockey

  • 262108420A said...

    burke is um's version of mateen cleaves, minus the championships, and final 4s. great college player, but not a great nba talent.

    Really surprised that people upvoted this. Burke is not even close to Mateen Cleaves especially in terms of leadership. I would say he is more like the UM version of Marcus Taylor.

    SWB

  • MSchott said...

    BS, who else for UM should have the ball in their hands at the end of the game? And how many games would they have lost without him.

    Tough choice between Oladipo and Burke but I'd go with Burke as he is the man at the end of tight games and is more valuable to his team.

    And to the guy who compared him to Mateen, Burke has much more of an NBA game than Cleaves did. Way faster and a better shooter.

    Too close to call, can't really argue against either. Most years there is one guy who stands out from the rest. This year, two phenominal players who both deserve it.

    To your point on Mateen v. Burke in the NBA, let's wait until Burke is in the NBA and has played a few seasons before we say he has "much more of an NBA game", eh?! I think you're forgetting what a special college player Mateen was. He didn't have to put up gaudy offensive numbers with the talent he had around him, but when he needed to put the team on his back and score to win, he did. 3 time all american and 2 time Big Ten player of the year; not too shabby.

    rhodesj5 ●

  • rhodesj5 said...

    Too close to call, can't really argue against either. Most years there is one guy who stands out from the rest. This year, two phenominal players who both deserve it.

    To your point on Mateen v. Burke in the NBA, let's wait until Burke is in the NBA and has played a few seasons before we say he has "much more of an NBA game", eh?! I think you're forgetting what a special college player Mateen was. He didn't have to put up gaudy offensive numbers with the talent he had around him, but when he needed to put the team on his back and score to win, he did. 3 time all american and 2 time Big Ten player of the year; not too shabby.

    I'm not at all discounting how good Mateen was in college. It's obvious that he did not have NBA level talent by his NBA career. We will see how Burke does and he may be undersized but he's steady and a great off the dribble shooter which is a real NBA commodity.

    MSchott ●

  • MSchott said...

    I'm not at all discounting how good Mateen was in college. It's obvious that he did not have NBA level talent by his NBA career. We will see how Burke does and he may be undersized but he's steady and a great off the dribble shooter which is a real NBA commodity.

    Agreed, and that's kind of my point. There are a lot of guys who are dominant at the college level, and seemingly will be successful at the NBA level, who don't really pan out.

    rhodesj5 ●

  • Mekano said...

    Lets leave the stats of the conferences leader in assists or the countries leader in assist to to ratio off the comparison.

    Burke has about a 3 to 1 assist ratio and Oladipo has a 1 to 1 ratio, but Burke is a guard that handles and dishes so his assist ratio is going to be lop-sided on the high end.

    Optiback

  • The biggest difference between Mateen and Burke is this:

    FG % - Cleaves (career) 40.6%, highest season 42.1%
    3 pt % - Cleaves (career) 31.3%, highest season 37.6%

    FG % - Burke (career) 46.3%, highest season 49.2%
    3 pt % - Burke (career) 36.5%, highest season 38.4%

    Spartan Punk

  • Spartan Punk said...

    The biggest difference between Mateen and Burke is this:

    FG % - Cleaves (career) 40.6%, highest season 42.1% 3 pt % - Cleaves (career) 31.3%, highest season 37.6%

    FG % - Burke (career) 46.3%, highest season 49.2% 3 pt % - Burke (career) 36.5%, highest season 38.4%

    The biggest difference between Mateen and Burke is this: Burke is using his school to get to the NBA and would rather be playing at Ohio State. Mateen is one of the toughest players to ever play, the best leader we've ever had, and loves being a spartan

    527MAC ●

  • Michigan Hockey said...

    Oladipo is a great player with tons of potential but I am surprised this is even a contest. Burke to Oladipo Pts per game 19.1 to 13.7 Assists per game 6.9 to 2.1 TO per game 1.9 to 2.3 Yes, you read that right, Oladipo has more TO than assists while Burke is 3.65:1. Burke also shoots 5% higher at the line.

    Nice cherry picking on the stats OP.


    Not cherry-picking, Oladipo plays over 8-minutes less per game and Burke handles the ball more, therefore Burke's assists are skewed. Your T/O mark is almo0st the same.

    Let's not forget Oladipo could have split the vote on his own team with Zeller but out-played him.

    Optiback

  • Spartan Punk said...

    The biggest difference between Mateen and Burke is this:

    FG % - Cleaves (career) 40.6%, highest season 42.1%
    3 pt % - Cleaves (career) 31.3%, highest season 37.6%

    FG % - Burke (career) 46.3%, highest season 49.2%
    3 pt % - Burke (career) 36.5%, highest season 38.4%

    No the biggest difference between Burke and Cleaves is 3 final fours, a title, and heart.

    "Losing Benenoch is a mortal blow from which this program can't recover"-T-Pain

    Rogue Leader

  • Michigan Hockey said...

    Oladipo is a great player with tons of potential but I am surprised this is even a contest. Burke to Oladipo Pts per game 19.1 to 13.7 Assists per game 6.9 to 2.1 TO per game 1.9 to 2.3 Yes, you read that right, Oladipo has more TO than assists while Burke is 3.65:1. Burke also shoots 5% higher at the line.

    Nice cherry picking on the stats OP.

    That also leaves out rebounds and steals (Which I am sur eis close, but I would think Olidepo leads).

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    Eggy ●

  • Optiback said...

    Burke has about a 3 to 1 assist ratio and Oladipo has a 1 to 1 ratio, but Burke is a guard that handles and dishes so his assist ratio is going to be lop-sided on the high end.

    Nice rounding. 3.65 to 3 and .91 to 1. Burke's ratio is quadruple Oladipo's, not triple.

    This post was edited by Thrillho on 3/8/2013 at 11:29 AM

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    Thrillho ●

  • 262108420A said...

    burke is um's version of mateen cleaves, minus the championships, and final 4s. great college player, but not a great nba talent.

    Is this a joke?

    burke is very talented but also a little bitch, constantly whining and looking for a call. Mateen was a true leader and not a bitch.

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  • Optiback said...

    Not cherry-picking, Oladipo plays over 8-minutes less per game and Burke handles the ball more, therefore Burke's assists are skewed. Your T/O mark is almo0st the same.

    Let's not forget Oladipo could have split the vote on his own team with Zeller but out-played him.

    So, Burke handles the ball more frequently, for more minutes per game, and that skews his assist numbers, but not his turnover numbers?

    Oladipo might not handle the ball as much as Burke, but you know who does? Every other point guard in the country, who Burke has also bested in those categories which are arguably the most essential parts of the point guard position.

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    Thrillho ●

  • Optiback said...

    Burke has about a 3 to 1 assist ratio and Oladipo has a 1 to 1 ratio, but Burke is a guard that handles and dishes so his assist ratio is going to be lop-sided on the high end.

    The point is you are leaving out stats where Burke is ranked #1 in the conference and #1 in the country., and including rebounding even though a sf is expected to get more rebounds. You also state that burkes assists should be higher since he has the ball more. This should also mean his TOs are higher, but they are not. If you want to compare the players, give a complete picture.

    Mekano ●

  • Thrillho said...

    So, Burke handles the ball more frequently, for more minutes per game, and that skews his assist numbers, but not his turnover numbers?

    Oladipo might not handle the ball as much as Burke, but you know who does? Every other point guard in the country, who Burke has also bested in those categories which are arguably the most essential parts of the point guard position.

    So basically what you are saying that Burke is the best point guard in the country. Okay.lol

    Oladipo is the better basketball player overall.

    Optiback

  • Optiback said...

    So basically what you are saying that Burke is the best point guard in the country. Okay.lol

    Oladipo is the better basketball player overall.

    No, I'm saying, specifically, that your dismissal of assists and turnovers, terrible rounding, and overall lack of logic in this argument is an excellent example of why pretty much everyone thinks you suck.

    This post was edited by Thrillho on 3/8/2013 at 10:59 AM

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    Thrillho ●

  • I think the stats can be massaged to show either is deserving of the award. It's hard to compare the two on that basis however as their positions don't exactly align. Both have compelling story lines.

    Regardless, they've both been fun as hell to watch this season.

    OldWolverito

  • Spartan Punk said...

    The biggest difference between Mateen and Burke is this:

    FG % - Cleaves (career) 40.6%, highest season 42.1% 3 pt % - Cleaves (career) 31.3%, highest season 37.6%

    FG % - Burke (career) 46.3%, highest season 49.2% 3 pt % - Burke (career) 36.5%, highest season 38.4%

    The biggest difference is that Cleaves is a proven leader and winner. Play some meaningful games in the B1G Tourney, and then get past the first weekend of the NCAA Tourney and we can start talking about comparing the two. Individual stats are great, but let's see what Burke can do with his team in meaningful postseason games.

    rhodesj5 ●

  • Charlie Kelly said...

    To hit a 3 at the end of the game? Prolly stauskus or THJ (both shoot a higher % from 3) coming off a screen, not burke dribbling around and then take a contested fade away 3.

    This. If they need a 3 he needs to work to get one of the better 3 ball shooters a shot instead of dribbling the clock down and taking a very tough and contested fadeaway 3.

    Posting member of tRCMB since 1997. It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Spartan!!!!

    Raytooth Morgan

  • rhodesj5 said...

    The biggest difference is that Cleaves is a proven leader and winner. Play some meaningful games in the B1G Tourney, and then get past the first weekend of the NCAA Tourney and we can start talking about comparing the two. Individual stats are great, but let's see what Burke can do with his team in meaningful postseason games.

    Burke is more skilled and a better shooter. Cleaves was a better leader and winner hands down.

    Posting member of tRCMB since 1997. It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Spartan!!!!

    Raytooth Morgan

  • Raytooth Morgan said...

    Burke is more skilled and a better shooter. Cleaves was a better leader and winner hands down.

    I guess we'll see. I myself don't know whether Burke will pan out.

    rhodesj5 ●

  • Vince of 231 said...

    He also adjusts the pts/gm stat to 40 minutes to make Oladipo look better since he plays fewer minutes than Burke.

    Q: If he is indeed better, then why is he on the bench more? Why aren't we seeing ALL the stats adjusted to 40 minutes?

    A: Because IIU has a deeper team.

    Both are nice players, but from what I've seen Oladipo dominates in nearly every facet of the game. Burke is great scorer and decent defender.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

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