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MSchott said...
I'm not at all discounting how good Mateen was in college. It's obvious that he did not have NBA level talent by his NBA career. We will see how Burke does and he may be undersized but he's steady and a great off the dribble shooter which is a real NBA commodity.
I can enjoy college players for being college players and not be concerned about if they will make it in the NBA. Calbert Cheaney leads the BIG in all time scoring. I don't think I ever saw him play in the NBA
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rhodesj5 said...
The biggest difference is that Cleaves is a proven leader and winner. Play some meaningful games in the B1G Tourney, and then get past the first weekend of the NCAA Tourney and we can start talking about comparing the two. Individual stats are great, but let's see what Burke can do with his team in meaningful postseason games.
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rhodesj5 said...
The biggest difference is that Cleaves is a proven leader and winner. Play some meaningful games in the B1G Tourney, and then get past the first weekend of the NCAA Tourney and we can start talking about comparing the two. Individual stats are great, but let's see what Burke can do with his team in meaningful postseason games.
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My post has to do with the fact that Burke will have success in the NBA because his shot will not be a hindrance to him. The NBA doesn't care about a player being a winner or leader in college.
I wasn't trying to make any comparasion of who was / is better in college, strictly looking at who has more potential to play in the NBA, which was what you and M Schott were posting about. Mateen was a better a PG in college than Burke is, no doubt about it.
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I'm just saying that it's great to have these nice offensive stats, and let's even throw in "NBA potential", but it doesn't mean it's going to translate. There are a number of great college players, with NBA potential, who didn't cut it at the NBA level. I don't think that, to your original point, shooting % in college is indicative of NBA success. You are implying Burke will be successful in the NBA because of his ability to shoot, I'm saying, we'll see. I would argue that he isn't an elite shooter, his strength is his quickness and ability to get to the basket.
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rhodesj5 said...
No, they're not as talented. But, they do have talent. That's why I didn't say win the B1G Tourney, and/or make the Final Four. I think it's reasonable to expect that he should be able to will his team to a win or two in B1G Tourney, and a few wins in the NCAA to get through the first weekend.
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MSchott said...
Here's the quote that started this part of the thread: "burke is um's version of mateen cleaves, minus the championships, and final 4s. great college player, but not a great nba talent." My contention is Burke has better NBA talent.
And by the way Big Dog averaged over 20 PPG in his NBA career and scored over 14,000 points. Cheaney had a decent career averaging 10 PPG.
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I'm just saying that it's great to have these nice offensive stats, and let's even throw in "NBA potential", but it doesn't mean it's going to translate. There are a number of great college players, with NBA potential, who didn't cut it at the NBA level. I don't think that, to your original point, shooting % in college is indicative of NBA success. You are implying Burke will be successful in the NBA because of his ability to shoot, I'm saying, we'll see. I would argue that he isn't an elite shooter, his strength is his quickness and ability to get to the basket.
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Saying that Burke's shot won't be a hindrance isn't saying that he'll be successful because of his ability to shoot. His major strength is getting into the paint and being able to either score, pass inside to a big, or kick it out to a shooter. All I'm saying is that a lack of a shot won't keep Burke out of the NBA as it has with many college point guards.
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Mitch Again said...
Saw some of the comments about Burke's height, that's definitely his biggest disadvantage going into the NBA. However Burke is a legit 6'0" and has a 6'5" wingspan. Having that huge wingspan relative to height is a major asset in bball. People don't discuss it often because who really cares about wingspan? But for a point guard who's questioned for being short, having a disproportionate wingspan could help him out a ton in the league.
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