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Omaha Herald Suggests B1G targeting UNC & Kansas.

  • If UNC gets an invite it will be invited first and I fully expect ND to get one last shot before Kansas is offered a spot. I doubt they take it but they'll have one last shot i would guess.

    jimmywalker

  • Let's slow down. The Omaha Herald? Oh and Hondo says it too? Let me know when a real source is involved. I'm not saying it's false but I'll believe it when I see it at this point. How many stories have we heard about expansion that were totally false yet provoked a ton of discussion on here.

    And yet after all that speculation Maryland is in our conference, which no one saw coming until it happened.

    Formerly Blade Runner.

    tManWithNoName

  • VargMan said...

    it shouldn't mean anything...maryland and rutgers may be "meh" but Mizzou is worse than them. If the B1G wanted Mizzou, they would have been members loooooong time ago.

    Bingo. If the B1G wanted Mizzou, they'd already be a member. When Delany announced a couple years ago that the B1G was looking at expanding, Mizzou had a press release out the next day saying they hadn't been contacted by the B1G, but they would be interested if the B1G offered.

    Which was the polite way of jumping up and down yelling "pick me, pick me, pick me!"

    Mizzou didn't bring anything to the table that Nebraska didn't bring.

    TX Sparty

  • Go Green Girl said...

    Can they replace Marlyand and Rutgers?

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  • Missouri has a population of 6 million people, and it's growing. It contains two metro areas, Kansas City and Saint Louis. It's also the only major school in the state.

    Virginia has 8-9 million, but that state is split between VT and UVA (and more football fans root for VT in my experience). It's largest metro area is also DC, something which we pick up with Maryland. After DC, Norfolk/Virginia Beach is probably your next major population area, and I promise they don't care about college athletics.

    North Carolina is 9-10 million, but that state is even more split up. You have UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forrest, and probably some more I'm forgetting. It's also a total fail from a geography, rivalry, and cultural perspective.

    I really do not get the casual dismissal people make of Missouri. Obviously they weren't as good of an addition as Nebraska a few years ago, which is the real reason we didn't call them. Delaney started out by nabbing a blue chip, and I suspect he hoped that the expansion wouldn't continue for a while. I suspect he got spooked by the SEC taking A&M and Mizzou.

    The farting birds will stop when the crappy topics do

    Seer

  • TX Sparty said...

    Bingo. If the B1G wanted Mizzou, they'd already be a member. When Delany announced a couple years ago that the B1G was looking at expanding, Mizzou had a press release out the next day saying they hadn't been contacted by the B1G, but they would be interested if the B1G offered.

    Which was the polite way of jumping up and down yelling "pick me, pick me, pick me!"

    Mizzou didn't bring anything to the table that Nebraska didn't bring.

    Taking KU would be a real FU to Mizzou. lol

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  • Seer said...

    Missouri has a population of 6 million people, and it's growing. It contains two metro areas, Kansas City and Saint Louis. It's also the only major school in the state.

    Virginia has 8-9 million, but that state is split between VT and UVA (and more football fans root for VT in my experience). It's largest metro area is also DC, something which we pick up with Maryland. After DC, Norfolk/Virginia Beach is probably your next major population area, and I promise they don't care about college athletics.

    North Carolina is 9-10 million, but that state is even more split up. You have UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forrest, and probably some more I'm forgetting. It's also a total fail from a geography, rivalry, and cultural perspective.

    I really do not get the casual dismissal people make of Missouri. Obviously they weren't as good of an addition as Nebraska a few years ago, which is the real reason we didn't call them. Delaney started out by nabbing a blue chip, and I suspect he hoped that the expansion wouldn't continue for a while. I suspect he got spooked by the SEC taking A&M and Mizzou.

    Because outside of the constraints the B1G places on the process (AAU member, etc.) there are only two factors that will be considered when picking a team:

    1. Does the move potentially force ND to make the smart move to the B1G?

    2. Does the move increase the cash-flow over the average number of members in the B1G?

    In that order. Missouri does nothing for the first point, and would be questionable for the second. I like Missouri, I think they'd be a good last pick, but if we're trying to trap ND, they're not the right next move.

    Basically, let's wait and see. This will all shake out over the next 1-2 years, after which the NCAA will be abandoned by the four major conferences that emerge.

    hexydes

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    Taking KU would be a real FU to Mizzou. lol

    What if we held a 4 team bracket pool in Kansas City, Missouri to accommodate Kansas and Nebraska in the 16 team 4 pod system for the hoops post season tournament... lol

    tVargMan Prime

  • hexydes said...

    Because outside of the constraints the B1G places on the process (AAU member, etc.) there are only two factors that will be considered when picking a team:

    1. Does the move potentially force ND to make the smart move to the B1G?

    2. Does the move increase the cash-flow over the average number of members in the B1G?

    In that order. Missouri does nothing for the first point, and would be questionable for the second. I like Missouri, I think they'd be a good last pick, but if we're trying to trap ND, they're not the right next move.

    Basically, let's wait and see. This will all shake out over the next 1-2 years, after which the NCAA will be abandoned by the four major conferences that emerge.

    Dinardo said on the BTN that he thinks the BT will pick schools 15 and 16 by next spring. I believe that delaney gives them tidbits of information to float on the air, as test-balloons.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all if we know who the next two schools will be by spring. Certainly, other conferences must be having emergency discussions at this point, and I bet quite a few schools are shopping around and whoring for that Big Ten money behind the scenes.

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  • I am surprised no one is talking about adding Boston College to the B1G. Boston is another huge east coast market. Adding Boston would literally lock us up with the entire Northeast from Boston to DC and If you want to really trap the ACC, you take a team that is based out of the Southeast market like Atlanta (Georgia Tech). That would screw Notre Dame over and put a lot of pressure on both the Big East and the ACC.

    Do you guys think any SEC teams would be interested in joining the B1G?

    This post was edited by Izzomsu on 11/23/2012 at 2:35 PM

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  • VargMan said...

    What if we held a 4 team bracket pool in Kansas City, Missouri to accommodate Kansas and Nebraska in the 16 team 4 pod system for the hoops post season tournament... lol

    KU is basically in Kansas City...and way more KU fans in KC than Mizzou fans.

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  • Black Dutch said...

    KU is basically in Kansas City...and way more KU fans in KC than Mizzou fans.

    This is exactly it...we already got St. Louis market anyways with Iowa, Illinois, and Nebraska covering that area. So KU would be a better draw for us to get the Kansas City market.

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  • People should consider that we will probably go to 18 with 9 games in each division.

    Addition of Boston College, Georgia Tech, Kansas, and UNC would seal the deal adding Atlanta, Boston, Kansas City and Charlotte.

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  • ClankyIronBoots said...

    If only...

    Illinois Iowa Kansas Minnesota Missouri Nebraska Northwestern Wisconsin

    Indiana Michigan Michigan State Notre Dame Ohio State Penn State Pittsburgh Purdue

    sigh...

    That would be BRUTAL for us to be put in that division.

    That top division would be Nebraska or Wisky every time.

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  • Izzomsu said...

    People should consider that we will probably go to 18 with 9 games in each division.

    Addition of Boston College, Georgia Tech, Kansas, and UNC would seal the deal adding Atlanta, Boston, Kansas City and Charlotte.

    God basketball would be insane. MSU, OSU, UNC, Kansas, and Indiana all in the same league? You could finish in 5th place and still be ranked in the top 10. Hell, top 5.

    SpartanElement

  • Izzomsu said...

    This is exactly it...we already got St. Louis market anyways with Iowa, Illinois, and Nebraska covering that area. So KU would be a better draw for us to get the Kansas City market.

    But we don't have a team actually in the state of Missouri. Subscription rates are impacted by having member teams within the state. This is also why I think Syracuse still makes sense as an addition, because New York State has 19 million people in it, and despite being a big player in NYC, Rutgers is not actually located in NYS.

    The farting birds will stop when the crappy topics do

    Seer

  • I think these carriage fees, regarding state borderlines, is a perpetuated myth without detailed knowledge of undisclosed contracts between B1G and varied cable carriers.

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by Black Dutch on 11/23/2012 at 4:30 PM

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  • Seer said...

    But we don't have a team actually in the state of Missouri. Subscription rates are impacted by having member teams within the state. This is also why I think Syracuse still makes sense as an addition, because New York State has 19 million people in it, and despite being a big player in NYC, Rutgers is not actually located in NYS.

    There are over 300 contracts with the BTN and cable carriers. All of them are different but being that I used to audit cable companies I will let you in on how most cable contracts work. The more basic package the channel is on the more money per subscriber. All packages are set by market, not by state. In 2 years of auditing 2 different cable companies I never ran into a contract setup by state.

    I do find it strange like the poster above that everyone on here seems to be an expert on knowing contracts that are confidential. I don't know for sure that they are by market, I only know that EVERY other contract i saw was based on subscribers and the level of the package it was on and that the level was only set by market.

    This post was edited by jimmywalker on 11/23/2012 at 4:36 PM

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  • jimmywalker said...

    Their are over 300 contracts with the BTN and cable carriers. All of them are different but being that I used to audit cable companies I will let you in on how most cable contracts work. The more basic package the channel is on the more money per subscriber. All packages are set by market, not by state. In 2 years of auditing 2 different cable companies I never ran into a contract setup by state.

    I do find it strange like the poster above that everyone on here seems to be an expert on knowing contracts that are confidential. I don't know for sure that they are by market, I only know that EVERY other contract i saw was based on subscribers and the level of the package it was on and that the level was only set by market.

    so what are the best remaining tv markets/colleges for delany to go after

    SpartanHoops

  • SpartanHoops said...

    so what are the best remaining tv markets/colleges for delany to go after

    I would think Georgia Tech and Notre Dame. Then Virginia Tech and UNC after that. It depends on what the motivation is with the last two. I think after adding Maryland and Rutgers that the next two will be stronger sports programs so someone like UNC and ND would be ideal. UNC/Va Tech would probably be 2nd and UNC/Kansas being 3rd most desirable.

    jimmywalker

  • SpartanHoops said...

    so what are the best remaining tv markets/colleges for delany to go after

    Shanghai, Mexico City, and Tokyo/Osaka.

    numberonealcove

  • 10 more to go to get to the 24 number that we need to get to...I will guess that they join the B1G in this order.

    1. UNC
    2. Kansas
    3. Virginia
    4. Virginia Tech
    5. Notre Dame
    6. Texas
    7. Georgia Tech
    8. Boston College
    9. Syracuse
    10. Pittsburgh

    tVargMan Prime

  • I think it makes sense. UNC and VA would keep the "contiguous state" reasoning Delaney mentioned at the Maryland presser. However KU basketball and UNC basketball are national brands like Nebraska brought in football.

    GRR Spartan

  • GRR Spartan said...

    I think it makes sense. UNC and VA would keep the "contiguous state" reasoning Delaney mentioned at the Maryland presser. However KU basketball and UNC basketball are national brands like Nebraska brought in football.

    OK I'll buy ading UVA/UNC - lots of Spartans in both states and DC.

    This post was edited by FIJI239 81 on 11/23/2012 at 5:54 PM

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