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Dubinsky getting tossed was an absolute joke.

Thing is, If Boyle doesn't receive a fighting major how is Dubinsky 3rd man in? And yeah the refs this playoffs have been atrocious. Every series they've been awful.

"46.16 Third Man In - A game misconduct penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who is the first to intervene (third man in) in an altercation already in progress except when a match penalty is being imposed in the original altercation. This penalty is in addition to any other penalties incurred in the same incident.

"This rule also applies to subsequent players who elect to intervene in the same or other altercations during the same stoppage of play.

"Generally, this rule is applied when a fight occurs."

AFAICT, the ref hadn't decided to call a game misconduct on Carkner. (Again, why, I can't help you.) I'm frankly rather floored by the gamer handed out to someone who's trying to prevent a beating that the official responsible for preventing said beating is just watching happen. BUT it appears that it's within the ref's discretion to toss Dubinsky.

Reffing has been awful across the board so far. A plague on all their houses.

no it wasn't

Does "match penalty" mean game misconduct? Wouldn't that prevent the rule from being applied in this case? I don't blame the Ranger for tossing the gatorade and all, the ref just stood there and watched it, absolutely ridiculous that Dubinsky got tossed for that.

Enlighten us.

I don't see anything about gm 1 in the video you posted, be more specific?

All whales are fish, but not all fish are whales.

"21.1 Match Penalty - A match penalty involves the suspension of a player for the balance of the game and the offender shall be ordered to the dressing room immediately.

"A match penalty shall be imposed on any player who deliberately attempts to injure or who deliberately injures an opponent in any manner."

"23.1 Game Misconduct Penalty - A game misconduct penalty involves the suspension of a player for the balance of the game but a substitute is permitted to replace immediately the player or goalkeeper so removed."

Agreed that Dubinsky shouldn't have felt the need to protect a helpless teammate, given that the ref was standing there watching the penalty occur (and had already called it). Don't know that that will help him with the Shanafiner.

Although, as Evgeni Malkin can tell you, precise application of the rules is not a league requirement in the playoffs.

THERES THE REVENGE!!!!!

Also, was Dubinsky really "third man in"? Every player on the ice was in that pile within about a second

That's because I don't have to...it's a freaking internet message board.

ah... I found the recap from gm 1 and they showed a brief clip of Karlsson getting a few punches to the face from Boyle. If that's all it was...