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PSU Scandal: Discussion Thread - JoePa Officially Fired

  • sprtnbrn said...

    I would be disgusted if this was Dantonio or Izzo doing it. Based on what we know, Paterno had been given to reason to know something bad was going down and did nothing.

    No, he did something. Jim Tressel did nothing (in a much more minor situation). Paterno did something and that something should have resulted in a the crime being reported. We don't know what happened with Paterno after he reported it to the AD and VP. The grand jury report doesn't say.

    SpartanBoiler

  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    You see a 60 year old man raping a ten year old. You dont need to be trained on what to do. What the fuck dude?

    No kidding. You BEAT HIS ASS then call the cops.

    Loose Stools

  • sprtnbrn said...

    If true, that only makes these allegations worse.

    If that's true, fire everyone. But, I think we all know that message board rumors aren't always 100% true.

    SpartanBoiler

  • sprtnbrn said...

    If true, that only makes these allegations worse.

    It's true...

    "The incident was reported by Mike McQueary, then a grad assistant and now the Nittany Lions’ receivers coach."

    yikes

    Allegations and sex-abuse charges stain PSU's clean image

    I remember, back during the dark days of the 2000-01 Penn State football seasons, when wins were rare and beat-downs were fairly regular occurrences, running into former Penn State linebacker Brandon Short in the visitorss last defense in 1999, was a young player...

    www.pennlive.com
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  • PRStoetzer said...

    In Pennsylvania, the legal obligation is to report the incident to a person in charge of the institution. The GA and Paterno fully complied with the law (which is why they weren't charged).

    For me this isn't about legal obligation. It's beyond that. To steal a comment from the Washington Post story...

    How about a little follow up? Something like "Hey Boss, you know that rape of a 10 year old boy that happened in the PSU showers last week? What's going on with that? Have you notified the police? I'm just asking because I haven't been contacted by authorities."

    This post was edited by Trevor Barnes on 11/6/2011 at 10:26 AM

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  • SpartanBoiler said...

    No, he did something. Jim Tressel did nothing (in a much more minor situation). Paterno did something and that something should have resulted in a the crime being reported. We don't know what happened with Paterno after he reported it to the AD and VP. The grand jury report doesn't say.

    You are seriously one sick dude who lacks basic common sense.

    tVargMan Prime

  • VargMan said...

    You are seriously one sick dude who lacks basic common sense.

    What about that comment is sick?

    If Paterno was part of the cover-up, charge him with a crime. But right now, we don't know what involvement, if any, he had with it. Could he have done more? Yes. Did he have a legal duty to do more? Probably not. Did he have a moral duty to do more? Maybe, but we don't know what else he did.

    I'm saying everyone should take a step back and wait to see what the full story is involving Paterno before going to Happy Valley with torches and pitchforks. I'm not sure what part of that makes me sick.

    This post was edited by SpartanBoiler on 11/6/2011 at 10:30 AM

    SpartanBoiler

  • sprtnbrn said...

    If true, that only makes these allegations worse.

    McQuery was a grad assistant that year and was that age that year. So the possibilities that he was the Grad Asst are strong. The shutting him up with the job, yeah that is a major assumption.

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  • SpartanBoiler said...

    What about that comment is sick?

    If Paterno was part of the cover-up, charge him with a crime. But right now, we don't know what involvement, if any, he had with it. Could he have done more? Yes. Did he have a legal duty to do more? Probably not. Did he have a moral duty to do more? Maybe, but we don't know what else he did.

    I'm saying everyone should take a step back and wait to see what the full story is involving Paterno before going to Happy Valley with torches and pitchforks. I'm not sure what part of that makes me sick.

    MAYBE a moral obligation?

    You do realize thousands of parents have entrusted their children with these men, right?

    MAYBE a moral obligation?

    What the fuck dude? Are you thinking that mcquery and paterno were breaking guy code by going to the police?

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    MAYBE a moral obligation?

    You do realize thousands of parents have entrusted their children with these men, right?

    MAYBE a moral obligation?

    What the fuck dude? Are you thinking that mcquery and paterno were breaking guy code by going to the police?

    No, I don't think going to the police breaks any code.

    Maybe he reported it to the campus police and they didn't do anything because their supervisor, who has been charged with a crime for covering this up, didn't have them act on it. There are lots of things we don't know here. Everyone needs to wait for the full story to come out.

    SpartanBoiler

  • PRStoetzer said...

    In Pennsylvania, the legal obligation is to report the incident to a person in charge of the institution. The GA and Paterno fully complied with the law (which is why they weren't charged).

    Generally a code of ethics mandates you to inform government agencies, such as the police & child protective services.

    Do u trust just telling one boss? I would really hope you would say no. In this world, especially a big-time program with $$ involved, doing the right thing would be informing other people. It's the right thing to do.
    If not, how the hell do u even sleep at night???

    Mel

  • SpartanBoiler said...

    What about that comment is sick?

    If Paterno was part of the cover-up, charge him with a crime. But right now, we don't know what involvement, if any, he had with it. Could he have done more? Yes. Did he have a legal duty to do more? Probably not. Did he have a moral duty to do more? Maybe, but we don't know what else he did.

    I'm saying everyone should take a step back and wait to see what the full story is involving Paterno before going to Happy Valley with torches and pitchforks. I'm not sure what part of that makes me sick.

    He is required BY LAW to report all suspicion of child sexual misconduct to child protective services.

    Any teacher would have immediately reported this.

    However, because this would have caused a major controversy for a beloved football program, people just reported this up the chain and swept it under the rug.

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  • Victory for MSU said...

    He is required BY LAW to report all suspicion of child sexual misconduct to child protective services.

    Any teacher would have immediately reported this.

    However, because this would have caused a major controversy for a beloved football program, people just reported this up the chain and swept it under the rug.

    Reread the law that PRStoetzer posted. It may not apply to him. It might, depending on his job functions, but I'm not sure if it does.

    SpartanBoiler

  • SpartanBoiler said...

    Reread the law that PRStoetzer posted. It may not apply to him. It might, depending on his job functions, but I'm not sure if it does.

    My google search shows that child abuse is required to be reported by the following:

    Physician, coroner, dentist, chiropractor, hospital personnel, Christian Science practitioner, clergy, school teacher/nurse/administrator, social services worker, day care or child center worker, mental health professional, peace officer, law enforcement official, funeral director, foster care worker

    I assume Joe Pa qualities as a school teacher/administrator

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  • Victory for MSU said...

    My google search shows that child abuse is required to be reported by the following:

    Physician, coroner, dentist, chiropractor, hospital personnel, Christian Science practitioner, clergy, school teacher/nurse/administrator, social services worker, day care or child center worker, mental health professional, peace officer, law enforcement official, funeral director, foster care worker

    I assume Joe Pa qualities as a school teacher/administrator

    Also. Human being.

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  • Let's put this is different terms. Imagine a student teacher found a teacher anally raping a student in the gym shower. The student teacher tells the teacher they are working with. Not only would this teacher report it to the principal, but any responsible teacher would make 100% sure that child protective services is contacted.

    In a normal school this gets reported 999/1000 times, but because big-time college football is involved, this gets swept under the rug.

    This post was edited by Victory for MSU on 11/6/2011 at 10:49 AM

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Also. Human being.

    F'ing this.

    There is no way to defend anyone who had even an inking of knowledge that this was going on. It's completely indefensible.

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  • Victory for MSU said...

    Let's put this is different terms. Imagine a student teacher found a teacher anally raping a student in the gym shower. The student teacher tells the teacher they are working with. Not only would this teacher report it to the principal, but any responsible teacher would make 100% sure that child protective services is contacted.

    In a normal school this gets reported 999/1000 times, but because big-time college football is involved, this gets swept under the rug.

    Well, a student teacher reports it to the teacher, who reports it to the principal, who talks to the student teacher then does nothing.

    The teacher then goes about their business, even after the student teacher is hired, as if nothing was wrong, the when the rapist starts working at another school none of them think it prudent to warn the police or school, while the rapist is going about his rapey ways.

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  • Seems like the only one supporting the cover up and these crimes is Spartan Boiler...

    tVargMan Prime

  • Victory for MSU said...

    Let's put this is different terms. Imagine a student teacher found a teacher anally raping a student in the gym shower. The student teacher tells the teacher they are working with. Not only would this teacher report it to the principal, but any responsible teacher would make 100% sure that child protective services is contacted.

    In a normal school this gets reported 999/1000 times, but because big-time college football is involved, this gets swept under the rug.

    My wife is a teacher and I just asked her this question right before your post. And she responded almost word for word with what you are saying.

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    DMBSparty

  • Thank god the B10 named it the Stagg-PATERNO Championship Trophy blackeyeheadslap. Kind of embarrassing having his name associated with our championship trophy now.

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  • VargMan said...

    Seems like the only one supporting the cover up and these crimes is Spartan Boiler...

    I don't know any other PSU boards so I have been checking the PennLive board and they are pretty delusional about this. They are pretty much supporting the program. I have no idea why, maybe cause Paterno has been there since my father was a 10 year old boy but their blind loyalty is disgusting. That or they just don't want to believe it, similar to the crazy MJ fans.

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  • I initially maintained JoePa had done what was required and followed protocol. After thinking about it a bit longer I think JoePa handled this the same way the middle of the Roman Catholic Church hierarcy did when they found child molesters in their midst. Paterno could have and should have done more than the by the book minimum. Like upon hearing hearing from the grad asst calling the PA state police where there would be no undue influence because it was PSU.

    Mike McQueary is toast if it comes out he was the grad asst in 2002.

    GRR Spartan

  • Dark Mantonio said...

    It's true...

    "The incident was reported by Mike McQueary, then a grad assistant and now the Nittany Lions’ receivers coach."

    yikes

    Thanks for the Link, I knew the PSU folks had their math right and this makes it stink even worse. Grad Asst doesn't go forward after nothing happens legally and he becomes an assistant coach? Sorry something is fishy here.

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  • GRR Spartan said...

    I initially maintained JoePa had done what was required and followed protocol. After thinking about it a bit longer I think JoePa handled this the same way the middle of the Roman Catholic Church hierarcy did when they found child molesters in their midst. Paterno could have and should have done more than the by the book minimum. Like upon hearing hearing from the grad asst calling the PA state police where there would be no undue influence because it was PSU.

    Mike McQueary is toast if it comes out he was the grad asst in 2002.

    Maybe he wanted it dealt with internally, like they do with matters of the family in the old world... Maybe some old school italian shit?

    I dunno, i'm graspin at straws now. It is so unbelievably bad i just cant begin to imagine what was going through their heads. In these situations i always say, the most obvious answer is probably correct, to me it is this :

    They knew if it got out it could forever tarnish psu football. Protect the program and pray it never gets out. Mcquery, paterno, curley, and schultz were the only ones who knew and thats how it would stay...

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