MSU Red Cedar Message Board

Yeah I hate Woody and Bo as much as anyone, but I won't stoop to calling them Pedophiles. I agree, those two would have strangled the life out of this sick bastard if they knew.

i also agree that the B1G should kick PSU out of the conference. Remember the Conference isn't all about sports, and the schools have to be held accountable to EVERYTHING that happens. I want nothing to do with PSU after this.

Hoping this was true I perused some PSU boards. It appears a sizable portion of their members are still at task attempting to condemn everyone involved except Paterno. They will pin it on anyone so long as it keeps Joe clean. Some posters are claiming the emails are fabricated, others are attempting to explain the emails with outlandish theories exonerating their departed deity. Mental gymnastics is right.
These people have idolized and deified Joe for so long they just simply will not accept his involvement in this, in the face of any amount of evidence.
Equally disconcerting is the fact that they will in the same breath bash the heck out of everyone but Joe Pa who is involved, and then state that there was no cover-up at all and this is entirely media driven. It's remarkable. Their burden of proof for a cover-up appears to be entirely unreachable as well. Dear ole State, like JoePa, could simply do no wrong their eyes.
And it's entirely possible that this predator Sandusky was left free to roam and prey on children for a decade afterwards, so as not to disturb their brainwashed ideology of JoePa and Penn State Football. In some way, these lunatic brainwashed apologists are evidence themselves, in the case of the how and why, this thing could happen in the first place.

I think it is split. I also believe the vocal people are the ones defending him while the silent ones are the ones that are condemning him. My In Laws are PSU Grads. My FIL loves JoePa, had a bunch of memorabilia, he has since thrown it all in the trash. I actually feel bad for my FIL, because he has idolized the guy for 50 years, only to find out he was part of this cover up. He still loves PSU but wants everyone involved to get sent to prison and to stay away from the U.

You're joking, right? Schtick?

It wasnt just any PSU people...it was the top leadership.

I disagree.

The whole attitude of Penn State officials toward Sandusky in 2001 is divulged in the language used in the recently disclosed emails. Sandusky is not specifically named. . . he is referred to as the subject. The child victims of forcible sodomy that Penn State makes no effort to investigate are referred to as the "guests". After all if Penn State officials learned directly from victims precisely what was happening, it would be difficult to call the child victims "guests". In litigation against Penn State I suspect plaintiffs counsel could be fairly sarcastic during cross examination and argument about Penn State's efforts to protect the minor "guests" from Sandusky in their visits to Penn State.

Just as Penn State officials wanted to move on from Sandusky consensually wrestling with minor/guests in the Penn State facilities in 2001, now is the time to learn truth for the benefit of protecting all children from similar conduct.

PSU is not going to get thrown out of the B1G, nor should they be. That said:

Anyone who thought that JoePa didn't know about Sandusky was and is crazy. JoePa was THE power at PSU and he knew everything that went on not only in the football program but everywhere else that counted in U politics. Why didn't anyone do anything? (Most of you need to get down off your high horses and LOOK at the actuality of the situation from the past not from now). JoePa was an 'old style' Catholic. You don't think he'd run up against something like this before in his church? What did the Catholic Church do? That's what JoePa did. Was it right? NO not in any way but the attitude that 'this needs to be kept quiet' prevailed. Is that the attitude today, absolutely not, because we know how that approach allows more abuse to happen, but it does explain how JoePa operated (and how the U operated to protect both JoePa and themselves). Goes to show how absolute power corrupts absolutely. JoePa deserved to be fired and perhaps more.

PSU is NOT guilty of these things, just some of the people who worked there. Stop attacking the educational institution for some very bad people who USED to work there.

Great write up by Doyel at CBS. Of course, most people could have told (and did tell) you that this would all come out eventually.

The part that stands out to me most is where Spanier wrote:

"The only downside for us if the message isn't heard and acted upon is that we become vulnerable for not having reported it."

Zero concern for the potential (and probability) of continued abuse.

What do you guys think about the part where Doyel says the JoePa statue needs to come down immediately? I agree. I think statues are stupid anyway, but JoePa will probably be remembered more as the guy who covered up his friend's child abuse vs the guy who won some football games

Yes, PSU is liable and they will be sued...maybe even for billions.

PSU is Enron.

The innocent students, faculty, and administrators, like the employees of Enron, will move on, be inconvenienced briefly and live to fight another day.

Hashtag CommonSense.

Looking for an appropriate response? Suspend the football program for 2-4 years. Let all current players transfer immediately with no loss of eligibility.

It's pretty clear to me that the entire PSU community needs a lesson in perspective. Hell, suspend it for ten years, that's how long they kept silent so the program and Jopa could flourish while sandusky was preying on young boys.

You can have an opinion. It's a shitty one, but you can have one. Other programs knew about Sandusky too? WTF are you talking about?

That's moranic.

It's not PSU's fault sandusky is a sick fuck.

It IS their fault he was allowed to roam free the last ten years.