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I would hope you read this article.

"We don’t know the totality of what the Freeh investigation will uncover. I would just ask those who cannot get their minds around the concept of Joe Paterno acting in self-interest — acting to preserve his institution rather than individuals — to prepare themselves to have their bedtime story disrupted. You don’t get to be as powerful as this man was by sitting idly by and allowing others to call shots.

Such power breeds fame, and vice versa. Soon, we bestow the mantle of greatness on men who do not warrant it, as often as we ignore the anonymously noble, those truly worthy of our praise."

If the scandal was put out in the open when first discovered PSU would have faced a lot of recruiting challenges, possibly a new coach and who knows what would have happened to them. So yes every cover up, whether it be kids taking PEDs, getting in trouble with the law, or other stuff that colleges cover up, gives a team an advantage on the field. If they suspend or get rid of the athletes or coaches the team is going to suffer. They did this to save the FOOTBALL program. It had nothing to do with the university. it had everything to do with the the PSU name, the PSU we all thought was a great program because they did things the right way, they had a longtime coach, they won a lot of games with a coach that donated his salary to the University, who the Library is named after. All those things made PSU football what is is and was. If it was taken care of correctly in the first place, all that changes. So yes they potentially gained an unfair advantage by breaking the law, so yes they need to be punished. This is IMO the most heinous crimes that can be committed. Prisoners deplore Child Molesters and kill them in jail. Even murderers, thieves, drug dealers etc.. have higher moral standards then these sick bastards. We aren't talking about a cover up about a player getting a DUI or getting caught with pot, we are talking about a cover up that RUINED lives, and they deserved to be punished, because they did it all for the name of the team, to keep business as usual in the football program to keep the schools name out of the mud. The entire university needs to pay, and most of all the football team. I am sorry for the students, but I am feel worse for the victims. Students and Student Athletes can transfer, the victims cannot change what happened to them and they will deal with it for the rest of their lives.

Bottomline, Joe was a moron. I don't know how anyone (including Joe) got the perception that he would be bad shape because of that. If he had just reported it his legacy remains 90% intact and he never gets fired.

Yeah, I don't know where Spartan8Ball was getting his info. I assume he is talking about the 1998 stuff, which if IIRC was from a university psychologist informing police that Sandusky fit the profile of a child molester and a report of possible misconduct (nothing solid IIRC). The police did try to run a sting on Sandusky that was unsuccessful, and the DA decided not to prosecute. Penn State officials did not alert the police of the incident in 2001, which included an eye witness to sexual misconduct. There were no further reports to the police until one of the victims came forward in 2009. In between the 2001 incident and 2009 Sandusky molested 4 children and possibly more that have not come forward. Those could have been prevented if Penn State officials, including Joe Paterno, had come forward and alerted the authorities.

XOXOX

Ed Martin

Hitler did a lot of good things too. He helped bring Germany out of a recession, and his actions led to the creation of a home for the Jewish people, decolonization, the creation of the UN, nuclear power, the space race, and brought the global economy of a depression.

The man had a positive influence in millions of future lives. 10-20-30 years from now his legacy won't be meausred by a few mistakes in judgements.

But really, no one is arguing that Joe Pa didn't do a lot of good in his life. But this isn't "The Black Athlete has changed the face of football" old man senility. This was, by all accounts, a purposeful cover up led by Joe Pa. At the BEST it was to protect his university, at the worst, it was to protect himself. That is unacceptable.

I would shut down the MSU athletic program personally if it meant protecting one kid from a pedophile, and I assume 99% of people on this website (sorry Blanch) would do the same thing.

This wasn't a mistake in judgment. This was an action that called into judgment the man's very morals. He did a lot of good, but he clearly didn't do enough in this, and those dozens of kids that have had to live with the abuse the past 11 years (not to mention the untold number of kids who were abused since then) were directly affected by him. I'm sure that JoePa's 409 wins mean exactly shit to them right about now.

Does this mean S8B wins the argument now because you brought Hitler into the conversation?

How did authorities get their hands on these emails? Why werent all traces of these conversations destroyed?

Paterno deserves the justice served by history. As the saying goes, he was a house of cards.

They can't be. Save totally wiping out the server those were on initially there are ways to recover them.

Nucky, or just another moran?

Drumbeats for the death penalty for the Penn State football program, from "legal experts":

University of Toledo sports law professor Geoffrey Rapp said that until Saturday he didn’t think the crimes that resulted from the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal at Penn State fell under the purview of the NCAA.

But that changed with CNN reporting the discovery of an email chain from February 2001 where Penn State officials agreed to speak to Sandusky about “future appropriate use of the University facility” and then contact officials at The Second Mile, Sandusky’s charity, and the Department of Welfare about the case. A day later, after talking to Joe Paterno, they had changed their minds.

According to Rapp, if the football coach talked the athletic director — his direct superior — out of handling the situation a certain way, that presents a problem under NCAA regulations.

“Once you start hearing that the athletic department isn’t responding to the chain of authority properly, that’s an institutional control problem, and the NCAA is built around protecting that institutional control,” Rapp said. “The problem is if Paterno was able to tell the school what to do and the school doesn’t have in place the right kind of hierarchy from the NCAA’s perspective.”

“Right hierarchy” meaning the football coach reports to the athletic director, who reports to the university administration.

“If the coach has the final say, that’s against NCAA rules,” Rapp said. “The president has to be in charge of athletics, not the other way around.

“If they were trying to put something in place, and Paterno stopped it, that’s a big problem.”

This presents a very different scenario from what the NCAA appeared to be facing before: a situation where Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, had broken the law.

In that case, “as long as it’s not connected with the program, it’s not the NCAA’s concern,” Rapp said.

Michael McCann, Director of the Sports Law Institute at the [] Vermont [Law School], saw another potential violation of NCAA bylaws.

“There’s language in the NCAA regulations that requires ethical behavior by coaches,” McCann said. “Have we seen that enforced? No. But there’s always a first time, and this could be a situation where the language of the regulations could be used in a way that it hasn’t in the past.”

At this point, McCann said, the death penalty is a legitimate worst-case scenario for the Penn State football program.

“If these emails are correct, athletic administrators knew about it but chose to not do the right thing or the legal thing,” McCann said. “I think, for the NCAA, this could be a defining moment.”

I'm about 99% certain he's trolling you. Feel free to put as much time and effort into your responses as you'd like, but you will have no effect, other than to make him happy.