MSU Red Cedar Message Board

Very good point, and I think you are right. It is time to ignore him.

Paterno and Penn State were essentially stuck in a time warp - Kids have been getting molested for YEARS and kids and their families were simply not empowered - back in the 50s, 60s, 70s - to come forward and tell their tales of abuse. You've got to imagine that there are thousands of kids and parents out there who, during those times, never came forward because they didn't want to face public shame, humiliation, and the community thinking their kid was gay because the kid was molested. These guys were operating in the stone age. How many stories about kids being molested by priests came out back then? I doubt very many.

Actually, very close to Nucky. You are getting killed in this thread, give it up.

The university has already been punished severely - in the media and public opinion. Penn State is now known for the criminal acts of Jerry Sandusky more than anything Joe Pa ever accomplished. Additionally, PSU will be dealing with the civil suits for years. This isn't going away anytime soon.

The fact that JoePa was involved in the cover-up to some degree could make it fall under the 'lack of institutional control' heading.

Exactly, you think it's a coincidence that the first 'incident' was in 1998 and he 'retired' in 1999? I still remember when he got the gatorade shower and was taken off on PSU players shoulders after their bowl game in 1999.

I agree on the second point. And that's why the death penalty will never again be used. It would essentially nuke the entire athletic department to the stone age. Not going to happen.

See the article I linked above.

I've lost count of how many times PSU players would get into legal trouble during the season, the case would be continued until after the season, then the guilty players would be suspended during the offseason and back on the team in good graces by the start of fall camp.

I remember seeing a press confernce with Paterno after the OSU tatgate scandal where Joe reminisced about the old days when the cops would call him directly when they found one of his players getting into trouble and they would handle the punishment in house and keep it out of the public eye. Joe was a throwback to the Woody and Bear days of coaching. That's how it used to be done. Imo, this is just an extension of that sort of mentality.

No surprise. Part of his defense at trial was, "No one suddenly becomes a pedophile in his 50's."

We sorta had that idea, Jerry, but didn't want to say.

It was certainly football related. The Head Coach and AD participated in covering it up.

It is certainly new ground as far as the NCAA goes, but public sentiment over this has to force their hand.

If PSU was smart, they would just kill the football program for 2012 and perhaps 2013 on their own. Not doing anything isn't helping their cause.

Look at the facts, man. The fucking coach knew he had a child rapist on staff and sexual assaults were permissible at a football facility and on football trips. How is that not a football issue to you?

State College DA told a mother they wouldn't prosecute in '98 or '99 even though she had Sandusky on tape admitting he'd done things he shouldn't. Without doubt the President & VP at PSU shouldn't have covered anything up and should go to jail for that AND lying to the grand jury about it. They were the authorities that the AD & JoePa worked for, it wasn't like they couldn't have done the right thing w/o JoePa's permission. That said, why is PSU taking the brunt of all this and not the State College cops, DA, and PA AG, who is now the Governor?

It isn't a case of PSU covering this up and law enforcement not knowing about it. They knew, didn't prosecute, and didn't even talk to Sandusky and tell him they knew what was going on. The cops/DA could have at least told Sandusky he needed to quit the foundation, AND they would slam his ass in the hoosegow if he even looked at another kid.

To me it looks like PSU is the sacrificial lamb that's going to the stake to take the heat for State College & PA law enforcement that was alerted and looked the other way. Even if you say that ALL the Admin at PSU is guilty of coverup, they have no authority over the State College Police, DA, PA AG or State Police.

Everyone involved in the crime is gone from PSU and "in the system". No one currently at PSU had anything to do with it, and if someone is found to, they need to be terminated. I think once that's done, punishment to PSU makes no sense. The people who perpetrated the crime are being punished, except it looks like law enforcement is getting a complete pass when they are every bit as guilty as anyone at PSU, at least for victims after '98 or '99.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/ray-gricar-missing-jerry-sandusky-pennsylvania-da_n_1088950.html

http://deadspin.com/5857440/alleged-victims-mother-jerry-sandusky-admitted-it-to-my-face-13-years-ago