MSU Red Cedar Message Board

Florida State in the title game

When will people quit awarding them national titles based on their recruiting? They always end up sucking.

11-1 and Sugar Bowl would be a bitter disappointment.

I hear you, obviously its an outstanding year when you win 11 and make a BCS bowl. Unfortunately playing in the Sugar Bowl against LSU would also likely mean:

-No B10 championship
-No Rose Bowl visit
-No National Championship
-Having to play a superior team in their own backyard

Bottom line, making the BCS would be a massive accomplishment and another step forward for a rapidly growing program. I was just pointing out that scenario would be the worst way possible to do it. The upside is either way you get to party on Bourbon Street before and after.

Have to disagree somewhat. If we learned anything from the BCS last year (UConn, UM, VT), making a game doesn't mean as much as you hope it would. It would not have been hard to find 3 better teams than those.

...but what if the horrible ending puts such a bad taste in the mouth of Gholston and other juniors that are thinking of going pro; so much so, that they all return for a season of unfinished business?

Here's the list of the 5 TDs that MSU gave up in 2 games vs. Wilson last year. Pretty clear that his mobility really took things to the next level for WI.

Yea, and Vandenburg's 2nd TD came after the game was out of reach (5:34 left in the 3rd to make it 34-14).

I'm in the process of charting who gave up each one of the 20 TD passes given up by MSU. Here are the 5 TD passes given up in 2 games vs. Wisconsin

Wisconsin (regular season)- 2 TDs given up. 1st was a 9 yard pass to TE Jacob Pederson, on a delayed wheel route off of play-action. Chris Norman had the coverage; you can see him get suckered in, first looking towards where Ball was running, then looking at Wilson, then going Holy @)#$(*()@#$ and turn towards the uncovered TE. Also observed on the play: Had that been an actual run, Anthony Rashad White would have stuck Ball in the backfield for a 3 yard loss; he tossed the RG to the ground and just ran straight through the A-gap.

2nd was a dump-off pass to Ball for a 2 yard TD. Denicos Allen had the coverage, but they play had broken down; if Allen stays with ball, Wilson tucks the ball and runs it in. Great use of the "threat" part of dual-threat by WI on both those TDs.

Big 10 CCG: 1st TD. 3 yard slant or a square in route to Jeff Duckworth, who was lined up in the slot to the right. Chris Norman went for the TE, even though the S has come up to check the TE.

2nd TD: Deep route to Abbrederis on a broken play. Darqueze Dennard got caught napping, watching Johnny Adams nearly sack Wilson. Adams had Wilson, but RW adjusted, so Adams got his facemask instead of his upper body. RW escaped and Abbrederis had been forgotten about was sitting in the EZ.

3rd TD: Shovel pass for a 5 yard TD to Ball. Don't really know who to call the "coverage" on, because you really don't have coverage responsibilities. Maybe the DEs, given the 3rd and long. Still, Wilson was able to evade the rush long enough to dump the pass off.

So, LB, LB, LB, Broken Play, Shovel Pass. Almost all of them were made by Wilson's scrambling ability and were in the RZ, with the exception of the broken play.

Huh?

Every team sucks except for MSU! The only reason people say nice things about these other teams is to sell magazines!

Worthy was a force in there. No denying it. You don't simply replace a guy like that. But we've got a lot more to work with nowadays. Opposing O's are losing more than our D is losing.

One exception being UM (assuming no injuries on their OL). We'll miss Worthy's experience and discipline on that one. It'll be close this year.

What the fuck are you talking about?

We don't have anything to do with "trying to win the freaking game." The team would obviously try very hard in a bowl game against LSU, but there's a pretty good chance they'd still come up short. I don't quite see how speculating about what might happen if we lose a bowl game comes anywhere close to suggesting that the players or coaches should try to lose on purpose.

Know your history idiot?