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Plumbing Issue

  • The other day I noticed that water running throught my main stack is not running out the sewer line but is running through my french drain and into my sump pump. It's pretty disgusting to think about what is running out to my lawn through the weeping tile. Anyway, any plumbers out there want to comment on how this could happen? Could the french drain be tied into the sewer line as a backup and a clog in the sewer line is causing it to back up? Anyone know a good plumber in the Grand Rapids area? Thanks.

    MSU02OSU0522411

  • Everything you need to know about plumbing, right here....ready?

    Shit flows downhill and payday is on Friday.

    Motown Spartan

  • Shit is a great fertilizer. Sit back and watch it turn green baby!

    This country was built by people who worked hard then went home and had just a few too many every night. Then went back to work.

    SBSpartan

  • McDonald Plumbing in GR...can't go wrong...good people

    Touchdown

  • MSU02-OSU05 said...

    The other day I noticed that water running throught my main stack is not running out the sewer line but is running through my french drain and into my sump pump. It's pretty disgusting to think about what is running out to my lawn through the weeping tile. Anyway, any plumbers out there want to comment on how this could happen? Could the french drain be tied into the sewer line as a backup and a clog in the sewer line is causing it to back up? Anyone know a good plumber in the Grand Rapids area? Thanks.

    I'll take a stab at it.

    What is running to your French drain? I thought that the sump was the only thing allowed to run into one of those. Easy answer is that your main needs to be snaked out. Hard answer will cost more.

    Always Smooth.

    Jim Shorts

  • You need to get your septic tank pumped.

    Gomer

  • I am hoping it is just that it needs to be snaked because i can do that for 50 bucks renting the tools from home depot.

    MSU02OSU0522411

  • MSU02-OSU05 said...

    The other day I noticed that water running throught my main stack is not running out the sewer line but is running through my french drain and into my sump pump. It's pretty disgusting to think about what is running out to my lawn through the weeping tile. Anyway, any plumbers out there want to comment on how this could happen? Could the french drain be tied into the sewer line as a backup and a clog in the sewer line is causing it to back up? Anyone know a good plumber in the Grand Rapids area? Thanks.

    I'm skeptical. If it is truly plumbed as you describe, it would have backed up into every toilet, sink, shower and tub within days of it first being used. Turds would never move through the scenario you describe.

    Motown Spartan

  • Motown Spartan said...

    I'm skeptical. If it is truly plumbed as you describe, it would have backed up into every toilet, sink, shower and tub within days of it first being used. Turds would never move through the scenario you describe.

    My thoughts as well. But I can tell you that when I have my wife flush the toilet I can hear the water run directly into my sump pit and watch it fill up and discharge.

    MSU02OSU0522411

  • Your analysis is spot on, you have a plumbing issue.
    Call a plumber

    Mudjin harbor

  • MSU02-OSU05 said...

    The other day I noticed that water running throught my main stack is not running out the sewer line but is running through my french drain and into my sump pump. It's pretty disgusting to think about what is running out to my lawn through the weeping tile. Anyway, any plumbers out there want to comment on how this could happen? Could the french drain be tied into the sewer line as a backup and a clog in the sewer line is causing it to back up? Anyone know a good plumber in the Grand Rapids area? Thanks.

    I'm pretty sure you hit the nail on the head. I had the exact me problem about 18 months ago. Your sewer line is clogged by something, between the house and the main. Snanking it should solve the problem. If it is tree roots, you'll have to snake it periodically.

    Leeroy Jenkins

  • MSU02-OSU05 said...

    My thoughts as well. But I can tell you that when I have my wife flush the toilet I can hear the water run directly into my sump pit and watch it fill up and discharge.

    have your wife pee in the toilet and then flush it. post a pic of what it looks like between her legs while flushing. we'll get this problem worked out. don't bother calling a plumber.

    AMwood

  • MSU02-OSU05 said...

    My thoughts as well. But I can tell you that when I have my wife flush the toilet I can hear the water run directly into my sump pit and watch it fill up and discharge.

    Did you just move to this place?

    Are you sure it's a sump pump?

    What you are describing sounds more like a grinder or ejector pump crock, not a sump crock.

    If this were a true sump pump it would have clogged looooooooong ago.

    Gomer

  • MSU02-OSU05 said...

    My thoughts as well. But I can tell you that when I have my wife flush the toilet I can hear the water run directly into my sump pit and watch it fill up and discharge.

    I'm thinking you have a broken sewer/septic line outside of the house. When you flush the toilet, it leaches through the broken pipe into you drain tiles and into your sump. The turds still go to their proper final resting place.

    Motown Spartan

  • Motown Spartan said...

    I'm thinking you have a broken sewer/septic line outside of the house. When you flush the toilet, it leaches through the broken pipe into you drain tiles and into your sump. The turds still go to their proper final resting place.

    No. Turds need water to get where they are going. No water = immobile turds.

    Where does the sump pump discharge? It's illegal in most if not all municipalities for it to discharge in the the sanitary sewer.

    How old is the house?

    Gomer

  • Gomer said...

    No. Turds need water to get where they are going. No water = immobile turds.

    Where does the sump pump discharge? It's illegal in most if not all municipalities for it to discharge in the the sanitary sewer.

    How old is the house?

    not all of the water is leaving the system. enough is remaining in the system to provide the proper vehicle for turdicular travel.

    This post was edited by Motown Spartan on 6/25/2012 at 9:43 AM

    Motown Spartan

  • I have been in the house for 6 years. It is a true sump pump because I installed it after the last one crapped out 4 or so years ago. The sump also drain into the backyard. I can tell this is a recent issue because there is a lot of water in the part of the yard where the drainline ends. I have never seen water there before and it is in an area I walk over all the time. I'm going to rent a snake tomorrow after work. Tonight I need to jack up some concrete because the idiot who installed the french drain system buried the cleanout half under concrete. Also, it is not a leaching issue because when water runs there is a direct flow into the sump pit through the french drain.

    MSU02OSU0522411

  • MSU02-OSU05 said...

    I have been in the house for 6 years. It is a true sump pump because I installed it after the last one crapped out 4 or so years ago. The sump also drain into the backyard. I can tell this is a recent issue because there is a lot of water in the part of the yard where the drainline ends. I have never seen water there before and it is in an area I walk over all the time. I'm going to rent a snake tomorrow after work. Tonight I need to jack up some concrete because the idiot who installed the french drain system buried the cleanout half under concrete. Also, it is not a leaching issue because when water runs there is a direct flow into the sump pit through the french drain.

    There is ZERO reason for the sanitary drain to pass anywhere near the sump system.

    They are completely unrelated to one another. Either the problem is misunderstood or there is some major deficiency in the way your house is plumbed.

    There is no situation where a main line blockage would back water into the sump crock.

    You say that toilet flushes are going to the sump crock. Is this turds, TP, and all?

    Are you on septic or city sewer?

    This post was edited by Gomer on 6/25/2012 at 1:00 PM

    Gomer

  • What a crappy situation.

    Fletch

  • Gomer said...

    There is ZERO reason for the sanitary drain to pass anywhere near the sump system.

    They are completely unrelated to one another. Either the problem is misunderstood or there is some major deficiency in the way your house is plumbed.

    There is no situation where a main line blockage would back water into the sump crock.

    You say that toilet flushes are going to the sump crock. Is this turds, TP, and all?

    Are you on septic or city sewer?

    I don't claim to know a ton about plumbing, but I can tell you when the toilet is flushed water runs into the sump pit. I will do some testing when I get home tonight and see if I can find out more. I am on city sewer.

    MSU02OSU0522411

  • Gomer said...

    There is ZERO reason for the sanitary drain to pass anywhere near the sump system.

    They are completely unrelated to one another. Either the problem is misunderstood or there is some major deficiency in the way your house is plumbed.

    There is no situation where a main line blockage would back water into the sump crock.

    You say that toilet flushes are going to the sump crock. Is this turds, TP, and all?

    Are you on septic or city sewer?

    +1

    - Call a professional, i wouldn't eff around with this. I learned this lesson the hard way.

    Also you need someone that does drains/septic work, not a plumber.

    117 Louis

  • MSU02-OSU05 said...

    I don't claim to know a ton about plumbing, but I can tell you when the toilet is flushed water runs into the sump pit. I will do some testing when I get home tonight and see if I can find out more. I am on city sewer.

    I'm glad to offer advice. I'm a civil engineer with a lot of background in turd transport and rehabilitation.

    Gomer

  • Here is an update and it doesn't get much better. I broke up the concrete around the cleanout and french drain. The sewer line passes at a 45 degree angle under the french drain. I rented a snake and went about 80 feet toward the curb. That shit was messy. Big problem came when we pulled the snake out. The new cleanout I bought did not fit. The fitting must be like 5 inches as the 4 inch I bought was nowhere close. I had the send the wife to her parents and run over to the house I am fliping so I could take a shower. Plumbing supply store is my first stop in the morning. Then I will know whether I need to call in a pro. My only thought is that the sewer line is broke right where it passes under the french drain.

    MSU02OSU0522411

  • Did anyone else click this thread after reading the title expecting he was having trouble shitting?

    TomIzzoCanDunk

  • TomIzzoCanDunk said...

    Did anyone else click this thread after reading the title expecting he was having trouble shitting?

    Funny you should say that. If I have to shit I am screwed since the cleanout is not in and it will run out into my basement. I was just thinking about walking out back to take a piss.

    MSU02OSU0522411