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  • InTenSity said...

    No, you've been arguing with xxmgobluexx who has obvious self esteem issues since he is married to an MSU grad and always mentions how his BIL is an MSU grad as well, he takes out his frustrations from his pro Spartan family on MSU fans on a message board. You also have mrswoodsen who is just an all around troll and brings nothing to the table. And then there is Patricia who manipulates statistics or takes far outliers to try to say they are fact. I really can't believe you continue to argue with them, especially pat. I know I don't add much to that thread, but I also realize that most of them are either still in high school, high school dropouts or never came close to going to a school like UM or MSU. I will admist that CWEBB and Jim Taco are decent, and I'm pretty sure Jim went to UM.

    Peter's a fellow attorney, which is probably why you see us clash more than any one else in that thread. lol.

    Definitely keeps me on my toes though.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Spartan8Ball said...

    I can disconnect my fanboyism after players leave the program. No drop off at all.

    Wait. So you can disconnect your "fanboyism" . . . yet insisting that an unproven QB will provide no drop-off from the prior year's starter? That's interesting.

    I do think Maxwell will have a better running game to work with, as well as an established defense. That should ease the transition. Still . . . .

    WR: Step down, as things stand right now.

    TE: Question mark

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Anyone want to run down some other positions?

    Sure. I'll help you out in that thread. You know what to do.

    NigelUno

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Wait. So you can disconnect your 'fanboyism' . . . yet insisting that an unproven QB will provide no drop-off from the prior year's starter? That's interesting.

    I do think Maxwell will have a better running game to work with, as well as an established defense. That should ease the transition. Still . . . .

    WR: Step down, as things stand right now.

    TE: Question mark

    Yep, pretty much.

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    Spartan8Ball

  • NigelUno said...

    Sure. I'll help you out in that thread. You know what to do.

    Told you man, it's outside my ability to help you. T-Barnes is about the only recourse for you.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • The OL development intruiges me. It did seem by seasons end, they had developed into a pretty cohesive unit. Now they have guys back from injury, and I don't think the loss of Foreman hurts too much.

    One guy nobody is really talking about his Hoover at DT. Step up or down from Pickleman?

    Dicks Fake Eye20793

  • Dick's Fake Eye said...

    The OL development intruiges me. It did seem by seasons end, they had developed into a pretty cohesive unit. Now they have guys back from injury, and I don't think the loss of Foreman hurts too much.

    One guy nobody is really talking about his Hoover at DT. Step up or down from Pickleman?

    DT is an "I don't know". You have a 5th year SR, but a guy who a) sat out the entire last year with injury and b) is learning a new position.

    I liked Pickelman, but MSU isn't replacing an AA there. That's White's job lol.

    I have a feeling that White is going to be pretty good; probably not 1st Team AA, but he's not going to be a giant step backwards from Worthy. Can Hoover provide White/Pickelman play or better from the NT spot?

    Reynolds is kind of hanging in the background of all this. Brandon Clemons is, right now, the best prepared RS FR to play this fall. #s are there. Production is a ?? till they start hitting opponents.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    *Cracks neck* I'll only do the "toss-up/decent opponent" games. I don't really care if CMU's DL has improved lol. Also, it depends on the degree of improvement. If you rate the various units on a scale from 1-10, if MSU improves from a 4 to a 7 and an opposing DL from a 6 to a 7, then you'd say both units improved, but what turned into an opponent advantage a year ago becomes a wash this year.

    Boise: Step down ND: push from last year tOSU: improved Iowa: step down UM: Step down UW: step up Nebraska: Honestly have no idea at this point.

    Rocky -- rating ND as a push -- is that after accounting for Aaron Lynch's transfer?

    What's the word on Klatt -- is he injured?

    TheAxMan

  • TheAxMan said...

    Rocky -- rating ND as a push -- is that after accounting for Aaron Lynch's transfer?

    What's the word on Klatt -- is he injured?

    Yea, Lynch was impressive as a true FR last year. Figure him taking a step forward along with everyone else would make the unit stronger. Replacing him with a ?? offsets some of the improvements of other players.

    Klatt's fine now, working in at OG. I did leave him out of the "back-ups" analysis because we really haven't seen much from him yet. We'll have a better perspective in fall camp (yea, Captain Obvious here lol). I really think the interior OL play has been "solid to good" under MD; the OT play has been sub-par for the most part.

    Here are the starting OTs for MSU the last 3 seasons, listed as LT, RT.

    2009: Cironi, DJ Young

    2010: Young, Deane

    2011: France, Fonoti

    Yikes. Cironi and Young were pretty good pass-blockers back in 2009. Young struggled when he moved to LT in 2010; Deane was a solid run-blocker, but was horrible at pass-blocking. France/Fonoti were a converted DT and a JUCO in his first year last year.

    First time MSU has returned both their OTs under MD. That alone gives me hope for a better OL. Toss in Jackson and the experienced McDonald, and there's the potential there for a solid unit. Notice I said "potential"; nothing is guaranteed.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • My take:

    OL- We have 5 returning players who were first year starters last year. I see all of them making big improvements. I also think McDonald will make a slight improvement as well, but already pretty good. Losing Foreman hurts, but by the end he was dealing with so much pain that he has since retired from football. The dropoff between him and his replacement might not be as great as we think. Overall, the offensive line is going to be a big plus compared to last year.

    TE- while I think Sims is the most talented TE to play for us since KFD, he has yet to put it together, add to that the lack of depth behind him and MSU is going to take a fairly sizable step back at this position. This is especially true since we like to run so many two and three TE sets with the extra TE motioning as a H-back.

    FB- Fortunately, I think we will be more versatile at FB. Anderson was a wrecking machine for us last year, but Palazeti is more fundamentally sound, can catch the ball out of the backfield, and is still big enough to deliver a whallop at 250 lbs. Could be the most versatile FB of the Dantonio era. So let's call it a push.

    RB- this is a tough one as their performance is so reliance on the O line. I think our talent level is actually worse this year, but I think our production will be better. I think Bell could have an All-American caliber season. I think Caper has a nice balance of size and speed to put up some big numbers of his own. Bell is a slippery, elusive back who can get tough yards. However, none of them have quite that home run ability that Baker has. Losing him limits our big play potential in the run game to some extent.

    WR- obviously a step back here from am experience standpoint and likely from a production standpoint as well. That being said, from a physical standpoint, this group is actually better than the group that just left. Of the guys departing, the only one who was considered to have blazing speed was Martin. From what has been witnessed and what the coaches are saying, every single returning WR has speed to burn. That could pay huge dividends when defenses geared to stop our run game get beat deep on play action.

    QB- This is another area where it has to be analyzed at different levels. From a physical tools perspective, Maxwell is superior to Cousins in every way. He's bigger, faster, and has a stronger arm. Is he as accurate? We shall see. How is his decision making? We shall see. I don't think understanding of the offense will be an issue as he is in year four with the program.

    The one big issue is leadership. Cousins was a natural leader. I know for some, replacing that leadership is their biggest worry in regards to Maxwell and the team as a whole. Well I'm here to report that Maxwell won't be the leader Cousins was. Nor should he try to because he doesn't have to be. Good leadership from the QB position comes in many forms. Sometimes it is the polished speaker who is active in the communication like Cousins. Sometimes it is the unassuming, lunch pail, blue collar type guy like Hoyer. Sometimes it is the fiery, sacrifice my body for the team, gunslinger like Stanton. All three were different and all three were effective. Maxwell doesn't have to be Cousins. He just had to be himself.

    I see the QB as a slight downgrade with a potential for a push wife the offense should be able to lean more on the running game.

    Overall- Thanks to an improved running game, I think this offense ends up being more effective this year than last.

    wingfanjim

  • Don't be surprised if the starting OL this season is :
    LT - Burkland
    LG - France
    C - Jackson
    RG - McDonald
    RT - Fonoti

    CoachedByDuffy

  • CoachedByDuffy said...

    Don't be surprised if the starting OL this season is : LT - Burkland LG - France C - Jackson RG - McDonald RT - Fonoti

    I'd be surprised; France successfully held off Burkland at LT this spring. Burkland's "natural" position has been RT, but that's the same with Conway and the staff didn't want 3 of the top 4 OTs at one spot.

    Remember the talk of McDonald playing OT last year? That never materialized. I know there was some talk of France at OG, but he's the #1 LT as of right now.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • CoachedByDuffy said...

    Don't be surprised if the starting OL this season is :
    LT - Burkland
    LG - France
    C - Jackson
    RG - McDonald
    RT - Fonoti

    I think Allen will beat out Jackson

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    Spartan8Ball

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I'd be surprised; France successfully held off Burkland at LT this spring. Burkland's "natural" position has been RT, but that's the same with Conway and the staff didn't want 3 of the top 4 OTs at one spot.

    Remember the talk of McDonald playing OT last year? That never materialized. I know there was some talk of France at OG, but he's the #1 LT as of right now.

    You'll be surprised Andrew. The starting OL I projected above is how the staff thinks the competition will turn out this Fall.
    The staff feels that Skyler Burkland is their most talented OL.
    The staff also feels that Dan France @ LG is a more powerful option than Blake Treadwell.
    Note : The staff never seriously considered moving Chris McDonald from OG to OT last season. That was all media talk and speculation.

    CoachedByDuffy

  • Jackson has the center spot pretty well locked up. Allen will replace McDonald at guard next year. Might as well put it in ink.

    wingfanjim

  • This. Burkland will be the backup at both tackle spots this year and the starter at RT next season. He won't play LT until after France leaves.

    wingfanjim

  • Spartan8Ball said...

    I think Allen will beat out Jackson

    Jack Allen will not beat out Travis Jackson as the starting C this season.
    After Chris McDonald graduates then Jackson may be moved to RG in 2013 to replace him and Jack Allen would be the starting C.

    CoachedByDuffy

  • Kicker - push from last year.

    Coach_McGuirk

  • You put too much into this. We've beaten their ass the last four years, and that's all I have to say about the subject.

    Loose Stools

  • CoachedByDuffy said...

    You'll be surprised Andrew. The starting OL I projected above is how the staff thinks the competition will turn out this Fall. The staff feels that Skyler Burkland is their most talented OL. The staff also feels that Dan France @ LG is a more powerful option than Blake Treadwell. Note : The staff never seriously considered moving Chris McDonald from OG to OT last season. That was all media talk and speculation.

    Hmmm, sounds exactly like something I posted on page 1 of this thread...and that I really like the idea of.

    And btw, I believe Hill has the same burst and big play potential as Baker, and I also believe Caper will have a great year if he stays healthy, was just reported he is putting in a ton of work right now, perhaps the most of anyone on the team, and is focused and determined.

    This post was edited by mentalstate on 5/31/2012 at 4:00 PM

    mentalstate

  • Tanfan said...

    blah, blah, blah by sunshine blowers. Not worth the read.

    If you offer any other opinion the blowers start to blow you. (Not directed at coachedbyduffy) I actually value his opinion.

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  • mentalstate said...

    Hmmm, sounds exactly like something I posted on page 1 of this thread...and that I really like the idea of.

    And btw, I believe Hill has the same burst and big play potential as Baker, and I also believe Caper will have a great year if he stays healthy, was just reported he is putting in a ton of work right now, perhaps the most of anyone on the team, and is focused and determined.

    Not ruling it out, but it'd surprise me at this point.

    Hill could definitely provide some of what Baker did. I know MSU is looking for that home-run hitting RB.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Spartan8Ball said...

    If you offer any other opinion the blowers start to blow you. (Not directed at coachedbyduffy) I actually value his opinion.

    Says the man that stated there's going to be no drop-off between Maxwell and Cousins.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Says the man that stated there's going to be no drop-off between Maxwell and Cousins.

    I've seen Maxwell play numerous times at Midland. I know what he capable of. Sunshine blowhards are still emotionally attached to Cousins. News flash, Maxwell has better physical talent. Cousins said it this offseason.

    This post was edited by Spartan8Ball on 5/31/2012 at 4:26 PM

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  • Rocky...are you on staff, or just a football nut? You're very versed in not only your team but others as well.

    Chitown_Badger