MSU Red Cedar Message Board

MSU - Maxwell
>>>> I have no clue. Physical talent is there, he should have the scheme down, just matter of actually playing in games. Love his upside but I don't know what to expect here until he actually plays.

Michigan - Robinson
>>>> Doubt his mechanics will improve enough to make him anything better than the running threat he is. As it is, he's tough for defenses who don't have the speed to handle him. Alabama and MSU will manhandle him but he'll put up decent rushing #s on everyone else. Will be very poor at passing, especially with Hemingway gone.

Wisconsin - O'Brien
>>>> Don't know what to expect here either, but with Ball and that OL he will have little work to do except handing off and a little play action. I think he'll be a less efficient Tolzien.

Illinois - Scheelhaase
>>>> Should be a better passer and worse runner than Miller/Robinson. I don't know how Tim Beckman is going to change stuff around.

Iowa - Vandenberg
>>>> Will probably end up as a top 3 QB in the conference by the end. Loss of McNutt and no running game hurts but Iowa usually has a solid OL, and he wasn't too bad last year.

Purdue - Marve/TerBush
>>>> I don't know what to look for here. If they stay healthy that alone will be good enough. If they end up actually being good then Purdue is a nice darkhorse pick for the Leaders division.

Northwestern - Colter
>>>> Love this kid's game. Tough as nails, needs to improve his passing a bit but his running will give teams fits. Fitzgerald does really well with these kinds of QBs.

Ohio State - Miller
>>>> Will struggle initially in Meyer's new system but should put up some gaudy numbers later. Surrounded by talent, albeit a bit inexperienced. Should put up good rushing numbers and decent passing stats, nothing great.

Penn State - McGloin
>>>> I question this decision. McGloin doesn't have a very high ceiling, so it will be interesting to see how Bill O'Brien manages to tweak the offense to get more production out of it. Having Silas Redd should help McGloin a bit but I don't have high expectations from him.

Nebraska - Martinez
>>>> Will put up good rushing numbers, but his passing mechanics are atrocious. Nebraska is forever handicapped with him under center.

Minnesota - Gray
>>>> Really expecting big things out of him. When healthy, he is a beast. A lack of good WR options might hinder him but he has the size to run people over and is a good passer too. I think if a good WR option can emerge, Gray will be a top 4 QB.

Overall pretty athletic group.

Wisky can't recruit their own QB's... That is all

Wow. Looking at that list makes me realize how week the B10 QBs are. The best one IMO is Maxwell and he hasn't started a game yet and I'm obviously biased. Other than that it is decent players who might have potential and or make big plays like Gray, Colter, and Vandenberg. After that it is just mediocre to sub par QBs.

Edit: opps forgot Scheelhaase who I would take 2nd to Maxwell.

it's boot-licking to say I have confidence in whomever Dantonio has confidence in? You're right, we should reserve that kind of trust for coaches who have proven they have an eye for talent and developing leaders within a team...

Do we hate the handful of Iowa posters on this board that much that there isn't more recognition for Vandenburg? Or am I missing something?

Isn't there more than one Iowa fan on here? Does Dix still count?

I think Marquise Gray is going to have a big year.

Dix was banned because I told AASpartan that your offensive coordinator is from Iowa. Talk about an egregious offense.

You act as if I troll when I clearly have every right in the world to be posting on a Michigan State message board.

One day these opposing thoughts will harmonize in your head and you will embrace the soul that is Dixon Steele/Howler.

Dix was banned because you never ever shut the fuck up about Iowa in every goddamn thread and then I believe you said "You've consistently shown time and time again that you're not too bright" and I nuked you. I also said that you were fine to plead with some other mod for your freedom. This is not an Iowa board. Even Rocky immediately regretted unbanning you because of your bullshit. Then you called someone a "candy ass faggot" and got banned again. Tell me again why we should let you post on a PRIVATE board where you have NO RIGHT to be allowed to post?

Good thoughts dude. I'll add a few things:

1) Northwestern under Fitzgerald seems to be able to teach their system to a new QB over the course of 1 off-season. From Bacher, to Kafka to Persa: each didn't do great when playing as back-ups the year before, but had great years once they started. I'd expect Colter to complete 65%+ of his passes, just like his predecessors.

2) I think Borges is going to keep UM's passing game simple, so expect Shoelace's #s to go up in games not involving Alabama. Agree that he has a limited ceiling as a passer.

3) Martinez = Shoelace with less of a running threat and worse mechanics.

4) QB Purdue. I think they're going to get above average play, but can anyone really explain their offensive style to me? They're kind of a running-QB spread-ish team . . . I guess. No real identity, kind of similar to LSU's O last year, sans all the raw talent

5) PSU: I think O'Brien can protect McGloin, I don't know about their WRs though.

6) tOSU: At some point the light is going to go on for Miller and I'd expect tOSU's O to take off from there. The question is "when".

7) Gray: Agree 110%. He could be the sleeper All Big 10 QB; I hate playing against big dual threats.

8) IU: Doesn't really matter; they brought in JUCO's to try and replace Roberson, which tells you all you need to know about IU's O

9) Iowa; Vandenberg had a good year statistically last year. He should be a better QB this season, though the #s may not reflect it due to the loss of McNutt. Then again, Fiedorowicz could emerge and pull one of those great Iowa TE years with 750 yards and 9 TDs to help make up the difference.

10) WI: If O'Brien is Tolzien, UW will be thrilled. I think that's his ceiling. Again, WR is a ???? around the league

11) IL: I loved Scheelhasse's game as a RS FR but he regressed last year. He has plenty of talent though, and a spread fits his playing style well.

12) MSU: I have no freaking idea, but I think Maxwell falls into the pattern that most talented 1st year starters do: plenty of moments of brilliance mixed with some real brain farts. When those brain farts come will determine how well MSU does this year.

Bring back Hawkeye Cheesehead! We actually liked him!

DRob's season will come down to the athletes the other team has--do they have the speed to stop him? The scheme is there and is proven. It's guaranteed that every UM opponent has requested MSU/UM game tapes of the last couple of years.