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  • LittleGiants said...

    2) Beilein - Guy gets results wherever he goes, decent in-game coach, a system guy who has found something that works, his turnaround of the scUM program has been impressive.

    Not to be a hater, but he hasn't exactly won in the B1G or in the Big East. He's a sub .500 coach in both leagues. His only real success was a freak tournament run with Pitsnogle and a few teams with Canisius and Richmond. As far as the turnaround, well you can't deny that he's gotten them in the tournament 3 times. He's done a decent job, but I couldn't put him higher than 4th-5th. Just my opinion though.

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    AASpartan

  • ChuckandLiz said...

    1-Izzo 2- DJ 3- Garland 4- Fife 5-15- who cares.

    This.

    Stephens and Garland are doing an OUTSTANDING job for MSU.

    Stephens will have his offers this off-season. I think he is a coach that could build up his resume and be a candidate that is worthy enough for the MSU job one day. Hollis won't hire someone who isn't proven at the major level.

    tVargMan Prime

  • AASpartan said...

    Not to be a hater, but he hasn't exactly won in the B1G or in the Big East. He's a sub .500 coach in both leagues. His only real success was a freak tournament run with Pitsnogle and a few teams with Canisius and Richmond. As far as the turnaround, well you can't deny that he's gotten them in the tournament 3 times. He's done a decent job, but I couldn't put him higher than 4th-5th. Just my opinion though.

    You're spot on...what you state is factual.

    tVargMan Prime

  • CorndogsJackie said...

    Eh, i agree he hasn't had great NCAA tourney appearances, but i'm willing to be rational enough to recognize that any coach who manages to win B1G regular season titles is probably pretty good. Especially when he's proven he can do it with and without NBA talent.

    And, again, it simply isn't easy to win NCAA championships, and the only time Matta had overwhelming talent, he took that team all the way to the championship, so can't really fault him too much. He did a great job with the '07 group.

    Just feel odd completely disregarding how great a job he did with that OSU team last year over the course of an entire season simply because they lost one game to a sick Kentucky team that should have never been a 4 seed in their region in the first place.

    Last year...seriously. I don't mean to be a dick but here's his starting 5 from last year--

    Lightly -- 4* -- SR
    Diebler -- 4* -- SR
    Lauterdale -- 4* -- SR
    Sullinger -- 5* -- FR
    Buford -- 5* -- JR

    Bench (which he probably didn't use)

    Thomas -- 5* -- FR
    Craft -- 4* -- FR
    Witherspoon -- 3* -- FR

    What exactly did he do beside manage his crazy good and experienced talent?

    JMCSpartan08

  • JEK said...

    I'm not a huge Matta admirer, but 9th best coach in the league is ridiculous, given his overall resume. He has won league titles and coach of the year at three different schools. He's won over 200 games at OSU and took them took them from good Big Ten program to nationally relevant. Guy's no Izzo, but he's no Weber either. Yes, his in-game coaching leaves a bit to be desired and probably should have a better post-season resume, which is why I put him at 5th.

    Honestly, he's far closer to Weber than he is Izzo when it comes to X's and O's. Both Weber and Matta are fine when recruiting (spectacular in the case of Matta,) but both manage to fuck things up at some point with very questionable in-game tactics.

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  • JMCSpartan08 said...

    Last year...seriously. I don't mean to be a dick but here's his starting 5 from last year--

    Lightly -- 4* -- SR Diebler -- 4* -- SR Lauterdale -- 4* -- SR Sullinger -- 5* -- FR Buford -- 5* -- JR

    Bench (which he probably didn't use)

    Thomas -- 5* -- FR Craft -- 4* -- FR Witherspoon -- 3* -- FR

    What exactly did he do beside manage his crazy good and experienced talent?

    "Manage his crazy good and experienced talent?"

    Isn't that what most good coaches do? I just don't think you're giving him enough credit. 34-3 and 1st in the B1G and he's an awful coach? With a team full of guys he had coached for 3-4 years?

    Idk, just feel like he gets so much crap for winning with talent when that is basically what every coach does.

    Sorry, don't mean to be all antagonistic or anything. *shrug*

    Does he not get credit for coaching those good players? Lighty, Diebler, and Lauderdale all improved a ton during their time at OSU, and Buford is going to go down as one of the top scorers in OSU history. He coached Turner for 3 years, and he left as a NPOY and the 2nd pick in the NBA draft. He wasn't even a McDAA out of high school, and definitely wasn't expected to become a NPOY during his time in college.

    But, if we're not going to give him credit for his wins when he's had "talent" on his team, does he get credit for when he won the B1G and went 26-6 with this all-star team?

    No way a guy who is an awful coach wins the Big 10 with this stellar group.

    Brayden Bell FR C 6-8 1.4 Pts, 2.3 Reb, 0.1 Ast
    Jamar Butler SO G 6-2 10.1 Pts, 3.3 Reb, 4.6 Ast
    Terence Dials SR F 6-9 15.3 Pts, 8.0 Reb, 0.6 Ast
    Je'Kel Foster SR G 6-3 12.2 Pts, 4.3 Reb, 3.1 Ast
    Ivan Harris JR F 6-8 3.6 Pts, 0.7 Reb, 0.0 Ast
    Ron Lewis JR G 6-4 11.2 Pts, 3.3 Reb, 1.4 Ast
    Sylvester Mayes JR G 6-0 4.2 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 1.9 Ast
    Samuel Payne FR G 6-2 0.5 Pts, 0.2 Reb, 0.0 Ast
    J.J. Sullinger SR G 6-5 10.1 Pts, 7.0 Reb, 1.5 Ast
    Matt Sylvester SR F 6-7 7.4 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 2.8 Ast
    Matt Terwilliger SO F 6-9 2.3 Pts, 1.6 Reb, 0.4 Ast

    Look, i readily admit he has made some bonehead in-game decisions, but i would take him at MSU over any other coach in the B1G, if Izzo left.

    His teams play great defense, rebound the ball well, and i like the way they act on the court. Sully can be a douche, but the OSU team last year was as classy as it gets. Lighty is one of my favorite B1G players of all time.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CorndogsJackie on 2/27/2012 at 1:15 AM

    CorndogsJackie

  • sprtnbrn said...

    And if I had told you a year ago that a team starting Zack Novak at the 4 and had lost Darius Morris to the NBA would be tied with OSU in the conference standings, you would've said I was joking. Either Michigan is more talented than we give them credit or Beilein is one hell of a coach. I'm leaning toward the latter begrudgingly.

    Michigan is more talented than you give them credit for. Novak is annoying as shit, but he is a tough, smart player. Beilien is a decent coach, I ranked him 8th.

    HL Mencken94322

  • InTenSity said...

    How any of you can put Matta in the top 5 is beyond me, he should be down around 9. No one brings in that much talent and squanders it better than he does.

    In the same breath... Only 2 coaches on this list had a NC and 400+ wins... Yet it's rare to see the 2nd guy in even the top 5.

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  • RPMadMSU said...

    In the same breath... Only 2 coaches on this list had a NC and 400+ wins... Yet it's rare to see the 2nd guy in even the top 5.

    Not only that. Last year was the first time since 1993 (his 2nd year at Tulsa) that one of his teams didn't win 20 games. He made the tournament 16 times in 17 seasons. Obviously Kentucky skews that a little but Tulsa and Georgia aren't exactly basketball powerhouses compared to the history of Xavier and Butler.

    sprtnbrn

  • CorndogsJackie said...

    I think Matta's in-game coaching at OSU leaves a bit to be desired, but he's still an outstanding coach, and a great recruiter.

    Has proven it at Butler, Xavier, and now OSU.

    The only year he had absolutely overwhelming talent...he did go to the national championship game, so that is good.

    He's had great talent, no denying it, though it is a bit inflated, considering 3 of his one-and-dones were all on one team, which he did great with, and two of his others were drafted high in the NBA based on potential, meaning they didn't exactly provide a ton at OSU, and should have stayed longer.

    Most coaches do fairly well at Xavier and Butler not to mention that Thad only coached 1 season at Butler. Hell Todd Lickliter made the sweet 16 twice there. At Xavier, Pete Gillen made the tournament 7 times in 9 seasons and was a terrible major conference coach. Skip Prosser made the tournament 3 times in 6 seasons after Gillen left. Sean Miller made the tournament 4 times in 5 seasons at Xavier before he left. Let's not pretend Xavier and Butler are basketball wastelands.

    sprtnbrn

  • sprtnbrn said...

    Not only that. Last year was the first time since 1993 (his 2nd year at Tulsa) that one of his teams didn't win 20 games. He made the tournament 16 times in 17 seasons. Obviously Kentucky skews that a little but Tulsa and Georgia aren't exactly basketball powerhouses compared to the history of Xavier and Butler.

    Tubby is the second best coach in the league. For all the talent Kentucky has brought in over the last few years, he's still their last champion. How about if Beilein, Crean, and the rest win something that matters before we call them better than Tubby?

    faygo

  • faygo said...

    Tubby is the second best coach in the league. For all the talent Kentucky has brought in over the last few years, he's still their last champion. How about if Beilein, Crean, and the rest win something that matters before we call them better than Tubby?

    I like Tubby a lot but so far he hasn't done much with the Minnesota program at least in the Big Ten. His Big Ten record is 37-48. I'm sure it's tough to recruit up there but that's not a good record.

    MSchott

  • Nutz Interface said...

    1. Izzo
    2. Tubby
    3. Matta
    4. Crean
    5. Ryan
    6. Belein
    7. Painter
    8. Weber
    9. Franny
    10. Carmody
    11. Sadler
    12. Chambers

    Tubby has a national championship. Enough said. Matta's short bench strategy is a handicap, but he recruits well and he makes tourney runs. Crean is doing a great job bringing a decimated program back to where it belongs on the national scene.

    Bo Ryan doesn't coach his players to beat the other team, he coaches them to play the refs. He's incapable of making adjustments when the game gets out of reach; when's the last time Wiscy came back from a 10+ point deficit to win?

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  • Overall rating with a stock ticker. I think Tubby needs to prove more at Minnesota so I have his stock going down for now. Crean is going up as it seems like the recruiting and the coaching are improving at Indiana. Matta is dropping because he is struggling getting his team to play together. Belein is going up and he jumped Weber this year. Chambers and Sadler are unknowns really to make a judgment. I hear that Sadler is a pretty good coach and his style of play could fit well in the B1G. He just didn't have the team to get it done this year due to injuries.

    1) Izzo (Up)
    2) Ryan (Steady)
    3) Tubby (Down)
    4) Crean (Up)
    5) Matta (Down)
    6) Painter (Steady)
    7) Belein (Up)
    8) Weber (Down)
    9) Franny (Up)
    10) Carmody (Steady)
    11) Chambers (Steady)
    12) Sadler (Steady)

    This post was edited by Izzomsu on 2/27/2012 at 9:58 AM

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