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Reasons why Dantonio Deserves Coach of the Year...

  • Jud Owns Digger said...

    DickRod could have won 9 games with scUM's schedule this year. Coach D may have had the hardest conference schedule and we still finished 7-1 in the B1G.

    Pretty sure DickRod was on record saying this was the year they would contend for a MNT, so perhaps Hoke did under perform

    rope_one

  • Big M said...

    Ok. I mean, I don't know what better alternative there is- lose big his first year so that the fans do not expect much? I agree the schedule is tougher next year, but I don't expect 7-5 or anything. OL depth could be an issue and there is definitely a hole at DT, but UM is still going to return about 16 starters plus Stonum. And I agree the schedule wasn't a killer, but I don't think it was quite as weak as MSU fans are saying. Certainly no one was citing the weak schedule as a reason UM was going to win 6 games, as many MSU fans predicted. As far as lucky breaks, in contrast to last year, UM won 1 game that they were fortunate to win- ND. That's it.

    I'm just trying to frame it in the best light for MSU. The best thing would have been for UM to have a losing record. Since that went out the window and it was clear you guys were going to win a fair # of games, then the best thing for MSU would be to have the hype cranked up as much as possible of a chance at a precipitous fall.

    It would be worse for MSU to have Hoke go 7-5, 8-4, 10-2 than it would be to have him go 10-2, 8-4, 7-5.

    There's no doubt that by going 10-2, Hoke is going to raise expectations for the program. Already people are declaring that UM is back. The hope for MSU fans is that he follows up this debut with a clunker next season.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I'm saying that the more hype that UM has right now, the better, because I don't believe you'll win 10 games again with your schedule next year and the losses on the OL/DL in terms of depth.

    It's not the COY award in of itself, but rather the overall vibes of the program. Now, I'm ok with the praise and hype right now because I think UM is in for a set-back in 2012. I'm aware that I could be totally wrong, UM could go 11-1 and be totally back. I figure if you guys are going to have a good year 1 under Hoke, then it might as well be totally awesome/amazing . . . and set expectations sky high for 2012.

    I remember what it was like in 2009 when the recruiting holes left by JLS caught up to MD. UM's aren't as bad, but your lines are going to take some work in the next few years. That points to a setback, especially given your first few opponents (You guys have a hard schedule next year).

    Right now I see UM in the same place a lot of folks saw MSU last year: caught a few lucky breaks and took advantage of a weak Big 10 schedule (No PSU or Wisconsin, Nebraska and tOSU at home). Props to Hoke for navigating it successfully; he deserves the accolades.

    He's set the bar high now; let's see if he can sustain it.

    I see your point. It's about expectations management. Hoke is doing a good job of that. Before they played us I remember him saying that they aren't a top 10 team if they allow 300 something yards of offense. I think he's doing a good job of reading the fans and the administration and managing expectations. I'm quite sure he will play the " we had a great season but have a lot of things to work on" card. He doesn't want to act like his team can beat anyone in the country and then get steamrolled by Bama.

    spbullet

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I'm just trying to frame it in the best light for MSU. The best thing would have been for UM to have a losing record. Since that went out the window and it was clear you guys were going to win a fair # of games, then the best thing for MSU would be to have the hype cranked up as much as possible of a chance at a precipitous fall.

    It would be worse for MSU to have Hoke go 7-5, 8-4, 10-2 than it would be to have him go 10-2, 8-4, 7-5.

    There's no doubt that by going 10-2, Hoke is going to raise expectations for the program. Already people are declaring that UM is back. The hope for MSU fans is that he follows up this debut with a clunker next season.

    I respectfully disagree. If Hoke had another 7-5 this year, I think there would have been a fair amount of grumbling and I think it would have been a lot harder to maintain recruiting momentum. I think Dantonio would have had an easier job on the recruiting trail. That initial good year buys a lot of good graces for a coach.

    Big M

  • Big M said...

    I respectfully disagree. If Hoke had another 7-5 this year, I think there would have been a fair amount of grumbling and I think it would have been a lot harder to maintain recruiting momentum. I think Dantonio would have had an easier job on the recruiting trail. That initial good year buys a lot of good graces for a coach.

    To be fair, if Hoke had gone 7-5 all of you would be saying how he hasn't recruited his players yet, and how the current players don't fit his system, how the defense can only improve so much in one year, how the O-Line is too small to be successful in the B1G, so on and so forth. Remember the last season after UM changed coaches? The 3-9 season of Rich Rod happened and everyone talked about how he hasn't had time to build up his team yet.

    There were so many problems with Rich Rod's team that Hoke could promise instant playing time to recruits. The Michigan Brand + instant playing time = tons of recruits. Besides, look at Rich Rod's recruits in his second and third years, close to no talent drop off from his first year.

    spbullet

  • The Over/Under for both MSU & UM was set at 7 wins in the preseason and both MSU & UM won 10 games. MSU has better wins than UM, MSU beat UM straight up, and MSU won the Division outright and is playing for the Rose Bowl. Seems like Dantonio definitely has the edge based on these objective measures.

    That said, I am very pleased MSU is at 10-2, but I am absolutely stunned UM is at 10-2 so I can see how Hoke would win the award this year.

    This post was edited by Just1Spartan on 11/28/2011 at 4:04 PM

    Just1Spartan

  • 16. Dantonio actually coaches and has input on the plays that are being called. Hoke walks the sidelines with his arms crossed and cheers when the players run on and off the field. If he wins any awards he should cut them in half and give them to his OC and DC. The guy doesn't even wear a headset.

    GreenMonet ●

  • I don't really care who wins the COY, although I think it'll probably be Hoke. I'm just happy to be 10-2 and looking forward to new year's day (or better!).

    y2kMgrad ●

  • y2kMgrad said...

    I don't really care who wins the COY, although I think it'll probably be Hoke. I'm just happy to be 10-2 and looking forward to new year's day (or better!).

    Why is there an MSU cheerleader wearing an UM outfit in your avatar?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • Can't agree. When will Dantonio be rewarded for exceeding expectations. Look at the mess he inherited (a mess that was being made over many, many years). Year after year we heard about the great recruiting classes at Scum and they continued during the RichRod era. All that tradition, all those plus 100k crowds, all that money, the Scum/theOhio State rivalry, the prestigious and influential Scum alumni, the universal love for the Winged Warrior paraphanalia, and lastly, all that money. You would rightly expect that the expectations for MSU going up against all that would be pretty low. Look at was he has done. And don't offer the excuse that RR was a bad fit at Meatchicken. Why reward them now for a self inflicted wound.

    johnspitzley

  • Just1Spartan said...

    The Over/Under for both MSU & UM was set at 7 wins in the preseason and both MSU & UM won 10 games. MSU has better wins than UM, MSU beat UM straight up, and MSU won the Division outright and is playing for the Rose Bowl. Seems like Dantonio definitely has the edge based on these objective measures.

    That said, I am very pleased MSU is at 10-2, but I am absolutely stunned UM is at 10-2 so I can see how Hoke would win the award this year.

    Agree with everything! Slight correction though. MSU's o/u was 7.5 and umAA's was 7. http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=240944

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    morgarc

  • johnspitzley said...

    When will Dantonio be rewarded for exceeding expectations.

    Approximately 1 year ago, this week.

    Dantonio Named Big Ten Coach of the Year - MICHIGAN STATE OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE

    Mark Dantonio, who led Michigan State to a school-record 11 wins and a share of its first Big Ten Championship since 1990, has been named the Dave McClain Coach of the Year, as selected by the conference's media panel. Dantonio helped manage the third-biggest turnaround among NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision teams during the regular season, as the Spartans improved from 6-7 a year ago to 11-1 in 2010. The 54-year-old Dantonio becomes the fifth coach in MSU history to earn Big Ten Coach of the Year honors, joining Denny Stolz (1974), Darryl Rogers (1978), George Perles (1987) and John L. Smith (2003).

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    Just1Spartan

  • morgarc said...

    Agree with everything! Slight correction though. MSU's o/u was 7.5 and umAA's was 7. http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=240944

    I guess different sources vary a bit; these #'s are from bodog. MSU & UM both @ 7.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Just1Spartan on 11/28/2011 at 7:42 PM

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    Just1Spartan

  • 10-2 was the objective expectation for this team...agree that hoke overachieved at umaa and that trumps a coach that met expectation.

    However, there is something to be said for a coach that delivers excellence when it is expected. It is easy to underachieve from lofty expectations.

    tVargMan Prime

  • I believe Wisconsin and MSU are playing in the first B1G CCG. I believe it should be winner should take all.

    I do not like Bieliema, but he has built a program. I have man love for Coach D and he has built a program. Let's reward the victor. Not a one shot wonder.

    Hoke had a lot of talent to work with, an easy schedule and caught some great breaks...ND break downs, no UW or PSU.

    I think this comes down to a Bieliema/Dantonio choice. Let them win it on the field.

    northandwells

  • BTW....Looked at um schedule for next year and even without UW and PSU it is going to be ugly.

    Give him the award. It will make next year that much more fun.

    This is going to be Great!!

    northandwells

  • Big M said...

    Ok. I mean, I don't know what better alternative there is- lose big his first year so that the fans do not expect much? I agree the schedule is tougher next year, but I don't expect 7-5 or anything. OL depth could be an issue and there is definitely a hole at DT, but UM is still going to return about 16 starters plus Stonum. And I agree the schedule wasn't a killer, but I don't think it was quite as weak as MSU fans are saying. Certainly no one was citing the weak schedule as a reason UM was going to win 6 games, as many MSU fans predicted. As far as lucky breaks, in contrast to last year, UM won 1 game that they were fortunate to win- ND. That's it.

    No offense, but we must have been watching 2 different OSU/UM games.

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