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Regarding Andrew Maxwell and SCum fans

  • Ce-ment said...

    Replacing a QB is a monumental task, but the young man will be entering his 4th year in the program when he starts against Boise. If the coaches had eny concerns, there would have been been at least rumblings over the last 3 years. The Walverines have no choice but try to discount him. Their "you can only beat us when we're down" argument went out the window last year. After Maxwell and the Spartans beat them again next fall, i suspect they'll go to the oldie but goodie - wait 'til Hoax gets his players, we'll be unstoppable.

    Yep, but as you said, rarely does a team have as much time to groom a guy and consistency in the system he's being prepped for.

    It's college football, you're in a constant state of flux with personnel.

    Maxwell is a similar guy to Kirk physically and style wise, the transition should be fairly seamless.

    Neither Kirk, or Hoyer had the kind of D to lean on Maxwell will in their first year as starters. The 09' D was especially a hot mess.

    This post was edited by Pylon St8ofmind on 2/9/2012 at 9:23 AM

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  • 82msuspartan said...

    You spend too much time watching scUM football. With that said not sure about the transition they will have to make from Denard to Gardner. It seems it wll be a gradual transition from Denard to Gardner and then to Morris. Gardner seems to be the in between guy who can do alot of things because of his mobility and size. From what I saw last year, he has a stronger arm than Denard and yet is still pretty mobile. QB appears to be a position of strength for the Walvies for the forseeable future if Morris lives up to billing. scUM will probably expand its Denard-Gardner package this year. Gardner has already had quite a bit of playing time in comparison to Maxwell. They are doing a good job of grooming him for the takeover or for the injury to Denard. Wish we could have gotten Maxwell on the field more last year in non-mop up situations.

    I guess you could say I spend too much time analyzing all of MSU's opponents. It is easier for me to get an idea of how MSU will do if I understand the competition.

    As for Gardiner, though he does have a degree of mobility it is in no way comparable to Robinson's. He's not a Vince Young or Cam Newton type threat as a runner. I wouldn't even put him in the same category as Russel Wilson as far as being a running threat.

    I have mixed feelings about Gardiner's involvement this year and how much he'll spell Robinson. If the UM defense suffers a drop in productivity this year as I believe they will, then his involvement could greatly be curtailed as Hoke and Borges will be forced to keep Robinson on the field much like MSU had to do with Cousins this past season. UM will continue to employ offensive sets with both Robinson and Gardiner on the field at the same time, but that will only be to force defenses to respect Denard's presence and keep their focus on him.

    I disagree totally with your statement the the quarterback position is one of strength for the foreseeable future. Maybe my definition of strength is different than yours. I consider a position a strength when it has sufficient, talented depth, and where if the starter goes down the reserves play at or near the same high level. Two players doesn't constitute a position of strength especially when one player is a true freshman with zero experience. I wouldn't but MSU's QB situation this coming year as being a position of strength. Maxwell has limited experience even though he has multiple years in the program. Cook has no experience and one year of learning the MSU offense and O'Conner is a true freshman. That's a tenuous situation for MSU this year, much like it will be for UM in 2013. They'll have Gardiner, a senior and a true freshman in Morris. It will potentially be Gardiner's first year as a starter. He does have the advantage of playing time, but if he goes down they will be forced to rely on Morris, an inexperienced and untested QB.

    After Morris UM has no one of consequence. Even if Morris does prove to be the next great quarterback, UM will either have to sing multiple QB recruits in 2014 to insure that they'll have a backup. I could see UM going after a JUCO QB this year just to provide some measure of competition for Morris in 2013 and beyond.

    Spartan4ever

  • UM has Russell Bellomy at QB too, I think.

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  • akersmayo said...

    "But MSU doesn't have that returning on offense nor does it just reload with the type of talent to do that."

    This seems to be the new party line for the Walverine faithful. The UM fan who wrote Rittenberg the other day used this same argument.

    It must be in the MGOblog echo chamber that MSU can't reload every year with good talent, so it will be just like 1999 all over again. The thing these ignorant people don't understand is that, in terms of overall talent level, there is no debating that 2009 and 2010 (and hopefully 2011 and 2012) have much more upside and talent than the 2006-08 classes that stomped on UM the last four years.

    Their 2012 recruiting class has them crowing. It's regular sentiment over there that MSU hasn't been recruiting well enough to maintain success and will soon fall back to mediocrity. According to them, our fall starts this next year... It's gonna be hilarious to watch them spin as we crush Boise into the dirt.

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  • Spartan4ever said...

    I guess you could say I spend too much time analyzing all of MSU's opponents. It is easier for me to get an idea of how MSU will do if I understand the competition.

    As for Gardiner, though he does have a degree of mobility it is in no way comparable to Robinson's. He's not a Vince Young or Cam Newton type threat as a runner. I wouldn't even put him in the same category as Russel Wilson as far as being a running threat.

    I have mixed feelings about Gardiner's involvement this year and how much he'll spell Robinson. If the UM defense suffers a drop in productivity this year as I believe they will, then his involvement could greatly be curtailed as Hoke and Borges will be forced to keep Robinson on the field much like MSU had to do with Cousins this past season. UM will continue to employ offensive sets with both Robinson and Gardiner on the field at the same time, but that will only be to force defenses to respect Denard's presence and keep their focus on him.

    I disagree totally with your statement the the quarterback position is one of strength for the foreseeable future. Maybe my definition of strength is different than yours. I consider a position a strength when it has sufficient, talented depth, and where if the starter goes down the reserves play at or near the same high level. Two players doesn't constitute a position of strength especially when one player is a true freshman with zero experience. I wouldn't but MSU's QB situation this coming year as being a position of strength. Maxwell has limited experience even though he has multiple years in the program. Cook has no experience and one year of learning the MSU offense and O'Conner is a true freshman. That's a tenuous situation for MSU this year, much like it will be for UM in 2013. They'll have Gardiner, a senior and a true freshman in Morris. It will potentially be Gardiner's first year as a starter. He does have the advantage of playing time, but if he goes down they will be forced to rely on Morris, an inexperienced and untested QB.

    After Morris UM has no one of consequence. Even if Morris does prove to be the next great quarterback, UM will either have to sing multiple QB recruits in 2014 to insure that they'll have a backup. I could see UM going after a JUCO QB this year just to provide some measure of competition for Morris in 2013 and beyond.

    Serious question. Do you think there is any chance Hoke will permanently move Shoelace to WR this year? Everyone knows that is the only position he will start at in the NFL. Well, obviously RB and special teams too but that is the most likely one.

    Indiana did it for Antwaan Randle El who went on to play WR for the Steelers.

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    CVSpartan

  • CVSpartan said...

    Serious question. Do you think there is any chance Hoke will permanently move Shoelace to WR this year? Everyone knows that is the only position he will start at in the NFL. Well, obviously RB and special teams too but that is the most likely one.

    Indiana did it for Antwaan Randle El who went on to play WR for the Steelers.

    Denard will see time as a receiver this year just like he did last season when Borges put both he and Gardiner on the field at the same time with Gardiner playing QB. Other than those instances I don't expect Hoke to move his key offensive weapon to a position where he won't handle the ball 90% of the time like he does now. And strictly looking at him as a receiver, how imposing of a threat will he be? Put a physical DB on him who could give him a shot coming off the line and you neutralize his speed. Even if you put him in motion the tendency will be for the defense to spy him. So besides him getting a few receptions each game, and using him on occassional end arounds what advantage does UM gain by taking the ball out of his hands?

    El's switch to WR lasted all of one game his senior year. By game two he was back playing QB and remained there the rest of the year. True, Indiana didn't have the available talent surrounding him that Denard does at UM, but taking the ball out of the hands of your playmaker is a recipe for disaster.

    Spartan4ever

  • Spartan4ever said...

    Denard will see time as a receiver this year just like he did last season when Borges put both he and Gardiner on the field at the same time with Gardiner playing QB. Other than those instances I don't expect Hoke to move his key offensive weapon to a position where he won't handle the ball 90% of the time like he does now. And strictly looking at him as a receiver, how imposing of a threat will he be? Put a physical DB on him who could give him a shot coming off the line and you neutralize his speed. Even if you put him in motion the tendency will be for the defense to spy him. So besides him getting a few receptions each game, and using him on occassional end arounds what advantage does UM gain by taking the ball out of his hands?

    El's switch to WR lasted all of one game his senior year. By game two he was back playing QB and remained there the rest of the year. True, Indiana didn't have the available talent surrounding him that Denard does at UM, but taking the ball out of the hands of your playmaker is a recipe for disaster.

    But Gardner is betterlol

    Ron_in_ATL

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