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Russell Brand - brilliant testimony on drug use and recovery

  • I searched and didn't see this posted, but this is a smart, eloquent, well thought statement on the need for decriminalizing drug use and more focus on abstinence-based recovery.

    Bound to go to Wells, I suppose, but the main points aren't too political. Brand advocates that labeling people criminals for using drugs and throwing them in prison doesn't help them or society.

    "It is more important that we regard people suffering from addiction with compassion and there is a pragmatic rather than a symbolic approach to treating it."

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    Russell Brand - 2012-04-24 - Committee on ...

    Complete video of Russell Brand speaking to the Parliamentary Committee today. Video is from the Parliament Archive at http://www.parliamentlive.tv

    http://www.youtube.com/v/O_LHuII-jYQ

    Ted Brogan

  • Do people really advocate for the mandatory jail term for users of illegal drugs? I haven't really seen it argued outside of the legislators. What I think people argue is what Brand is really arguing for, should we put financial resources into helping people achieve abstinence recovery or should we put financial resources into making illegal drugs impossible to obtain thus having abstinence from the get go. I have heard many people argue that if we put financial resources into recovery, that it only encourages drug use. Personally, I think that prohibition never works and only encourages drug use.

    Io Triumphe

  • Io Triumphe said...

    Do people really advocate for the mandatory jail term for users of illegal drugs? I haven't really seen it argued outside of the legislators. What I think people argue is what Brand is really arguing for, should we put financial resources into helping people achieve abstinence recovery or should we put financial resources into making illegal drugs impossible to obtain thus having abstinence from the get go. I have heard many people argue that if we put financial resources into recovery, that it only encourages drug use. Personally, I think that prohibition never works and only encourages drug use.

    I believe it was Portugal that decriminalized all drugs and focused on treatment. They saw a decline in drug use.

    Buffalo Spartan

  • corrections is big business, good luck getting it changed. they want to see growth, and will push for it. another congressman takes the money.

    Turf

  • I never found him funny.

    "Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson

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  • Turf said...

    corrections is big business, good luck getting it changed. they want to see growth, and will push for it. another congressman takes the money.

    Just imagine how much the government could make from taxing legalized marijuana.

    SeeGreen: "Ahhh.. whenever optimusprimal19 speaks, good things have happened."

    J T

  • J T said...

    Just imagine how much the government could make from taxing legalized marijuana.

    Is there a credible estimate of that?

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    Floyd Robertson

  • Floyd Robertson said...

    Is there a credible estimate of that?

    yeah man like a gazillion dollars.

    RaptorCaptor

  • J T said...

    Just imagine how much the government could make from taxing legalized marijuana.

    Government funding doesn't pay for election donations. Politicians couldn't care less about government funding.

    Io Triumphe

  • J T said...

    Just imagine how much the government could make from taxing legalized marijuana.

    I imagine they'll just tax it to the point it's worth to take a chance growIng your own or getting it somewhere else.

    The government will fuck it up. Count on that.

    Big John Studd

  • Floyd Robertson said...

    Is there a credible estimate of that?

    No clue. But I can imagine. smile_msu

    SeeGreen: "Ahhh.. whenever optimusprimal19 speaks, good things have happened."

    J T

  • Big John Studd said...

    The government will intentionally fuck it up. Count on that.

    fixed for accuracy.

    Io Triumphe

  • Russell Brand all-cotton sweatshirts used to be my favorite. Too bad they don't make 'em anymore. lol

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  • Spoken like a true drug addict that can afford it.

    Always Smooth.

    Jim Shorts

  • Floyd Robertson said...

    Is there a credible estimate of that?

    Sorry I don't have a link but I've read around 13 billion per year on marijuana alone in the US from taxation and savings on corrections. That doesn't count the cost of rehibilitation which would also be big business.

    Buffalo Spartan

  • As mentioned in several other threads.. The reason weed isnt legal is that there is no way to tell how high (or not high at all) you are at any given moment.

    As far as Brand talking about the social issues, etc associated with recovery and how he was lonely, sad, etc which caused him to use heroin and curing those social issues is what helped his recovery, I can honestly say that making tons of money and becoming super famous can cure being lonely and sad very quickly.

    Sparty2QP

  • Sparty2QP said...

    As mentioned in several other threads.. The reason weed isnt legal is that there is no way to tell how high (or not high at all) you are at any given moment.

    As far as Brand talking about the social issues, etc associated with recovery and how he was lonely, sad, etc which caused him to use heroin and curing those social issues is what helped his recovery, I can honestly say that making tons of money and becoming super famous can cure being lonely and sad very quickly.

    I disagree with your last statement. Isn't most of the hollywood biopics that are put out about how lonely and sad it can be at the very top?

    Io Triumphe

  • Sparty2QP said...

    As mentioned in several other threads.. The reason weed isnt legal is that there is no way to tell how high (or not high at all) you are at any given moment.

    As far as Brand talking about the social issues, etc associated with recovery and how he was lonely, sad, etc which caused him to use heroin and curing those social issues is what helped his recovery, I can honestly say that making tons of money and becoming super famous can cure being lonely and sad very quickly.

    I think the Alcohol lobby is one huge reason that Pot isn't legal. Didn't they find out how "Impaired" Nix was with a test? And for the Poster about people growing their own, people brew beer and wine and yet those aren't hurting. Yeah you are going to get people that will grow their own, but I know someone that used to grow it, before the law went all crazy and they stopped. But their house would constantly smell like a clam bake and it took up a lot of room. Then the prepping of the product would take them forever and they also got some kind of bug in the house that got on the dog. It turned out to be a big pain in the ass for them.

    And for Brand, I thought he came off very well. Money and Fame IMO would make it harder to get sober because really he had the money to buy as much as wanted could party all he wanted without worrying about going to work the next day, and like Triumph mentioned celebrities find success leads to depression and loneliness.

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  • Sparty2QP said...

    As mentioned in several other threads.. The reason weed isnt legal is that there is no way to tell how high (or not high at all) you are at any given moment.

    As far as Brand talking about the social issues, etc associated with recovery and how he was lonely, sad, etc which caused him to use heroin and curing those social issues is what helped his recovery, I can honestly say that making tons of money and becoming super famous can cure being lonely and sad very quickly.

    The reason weed isn't leagal is because too many people make too much money because it isn't legal. Pediod.

    Buffalo Spartan

  • Big John Studd said...

    I imagine they'll just tax it to the point it's worth to take a chance growIng your own or getting it somewhere else.

    The government will fuck it up. Count on that.

    I don't know. Remember, because it is sold on a black market, illicit drugs fetch a premium price due to limited competition, and the costs associated with producing and distributing the product. If legalization every occurred, whatever legitimate companies that started selling them would have much more streamlined production, supply chain processes, and increased competition. This is especially true for weed. Essentially it is no different than growing tobacco. The sale price would drop significantly and the government could tax the shit out of it and still not drive the cost up to current prices.

    wingfanjim