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SIAP: Why the SEC isn't as great as you think

  • Basically, the writer claims that the ESPN acts as a Flava Flav like hypeman for the SEC, thus ensuring that the SEC teams are considered "the best".

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    TX Sparty

  • TX Sparty said...

    Basically, the writer claims that the ESPN acts as a Flava Flav like hypeman for the SEC, thus ensuring that the SEC teams are considered "the best".

    They have what 6 Mythical National championships in a row. It sucks but they are the best.

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    Eggy

  • Meh, the SEC might not be as deep as advertised, but with 4 teams in the conference winning the last 6 MNCs, it's kinda hard to argue against their dominance.

    Edit: in comparison, the Big Ten has 1.5 national championships in the last 42 years...and those were from UM and OSU. That's what's crazy about the SEC...it isn't one or even two teams dominating.

    This post was edited by MSUsbetterthanu on 8/14/2012 at 8:57 PM

    MSUsbetterthanu

  • ESPN being silly doesn't mean that the SEC isn't the best. It's not really close.

    Slippery People

  • MSUsbetterthanu said...

    Meh, the SEC might not be as deep as advertised, but with 4 teams in the conference winning the last 6 MNCs, it's kinda hard to argue against their dominance.

    Edit: in comparison, the Big Ten has 1.5 national championships in the last 42 years...and those were from UM and OSU. That's what's crazy about the SEC...it isn't one or even two teams dominating.

    Question is, without the hype machine, would those teams be playing for the BCS championships as much as they have?

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    RPMadMSU

  • RPMadMSU said...

    Question is, without the hype machine, would those teams be playing for the BCS championships as much as they have?

    It will be interesting to see if the tides shift at all with a playoff format.

    MSUsbetterthanu

  • Maybe not. Florida vs OSU was a stretch for Florida qualifying. Bama last year was a stretch. But once these "iffy" SEC teams get in the championship game, they seem to win vs others!!

    buckeyesparty

  • Eggy said...

    They have what 6 Mythical National championships in a row. It sucks but they are the best.

    The last few years, the SEC has had 1, sometimes 2 truly great teams. Over the last 6 years, SEC teams have also gotten mulligans in order to be in the MNC game. They get more bites at the apple, based on ESPN hype. An LSU team with 2 losses to unranked teams playing for all the marbles in New Orleans is the most glaring example. Sure, they won...but most other teams would be in the Outback Bowl with that resume. Even USC didn't get the mulligans that SEC teams get (and thus, SEC teams were able to dodge USC in the MNC game, and several times many were arguing that USC was the best team in the nation, despite dropping games to the likes of Stanford, UCLA or Oregon State.

    Rodeo Burger

  • MSUsbetterthanu said...

    Meh, the SEC might not be as deep as advertised, but with 4 teams in the conference winning the last 6 MNCs, it's kinda hard to argue against their dominance.

    that is in fact what the author just did,i think it was sort of his point.

    riflefl21918

  • Actually an interesting article.

    The 2011 example is interesting ...

    "The most bald-faced example of poll rigging occurred in 2011 when the Pac-12's then number-three-ranked Oregon Ducks lost a September game in Dallas to then number-four-ranked LSU by a score of 40-27. Following the defeat, the Ducks dropped 10 spaces in the polls, to number 13.

    With the demotion, Oregon's championship hopes were essentially obliterated from the first week of the season.

    Fine. This is the way it goes in a college football's "every game counts" season.

    When the SEC's then #2 Alabama Crimson Tide lost at home to #1 LSU in November, however, it dropped only one space in the polls, to number three.

    Within two weeks, just-beaten Alabama had been scooted back up to number two behind top-ranked LSU, and yet another SEC team (Arkansas) had been quickly installed at number three, thus ensuring that no matter what happened next, the SEC would be guaranteed a national title. The system of propaganda reached its torrid, circle-jerk climax with the 2012 BCS title game between LSU and Alabama."

    This post was edited by bulldogg on 8/14/2012 at 9:46 PM

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  • Eggy said...

    They have what 6 Mythical National championships in a row. It sucks but they are the best.

    You didn't read the article, did you?

    bulldogg

  • The participants in the National Title are distorted by the perception to always guarantee the SEC has at least a team in the game. The game itself is almost always in southern territory making it an SEC home game and giving them an advantage in it. Even so, 6 straight is a bit of an anomaly. The problem will continue to grow as the hype machine continues and effects recruiting for even more of an advantage.

    msuhockeycj

  • msuhockeycj said...

    Even so, 6 straight is a bit of an anomaly.

    Yeah, ESPN can only get them there. They have to win it then (except when they play each other).

    bulldogg

  • It's easy to say, "Oh they've won how many in a row, obviously they are the best." Of course they are. That isn't the point. The point is that ESPN and the media hype machine gets SEC borderline teams in the game, they get them recruits with the hype, and they protect that dominance with overblown coverage.

    Perfect example is the ranking of Georgia well above us everywhere.

    DrTre11

  • Some serious reading comprehension fail from those who are saying these 6 mythical national championships prove the SEC is the dominant best overall conference. I can't add much to the article...it pretty much laid it all out there. Maybe try reading it again?

    Just to use the most recent example, if in 2011 NCAA football had used the same criteria as NCAA basketball to choose the top teams, it's well-documented that we would have seen Oklahoma State vs. LSU. Then, with how LSU's offense was playing, and how stubbornly Miles was coaching, it's at least as likely as not that that OSU would have won. No matter if you think Alabama was "the best team" and would have beaten God's Army 1000 to 3. A rigged system gave them the chance to make up for their bad game, unlike any other conference's team.

    But the system rigged it so that the SEC won it. That's the most recent example of what this article is about. I know where the SEC's strength is. Heck, i bet it, so i'm not going to be stupid about it. But it's silly how warped ESPN and the public's perception is. Warped enough to pre-season rank Georgia #6? lol LSU #1?? LOL. Florida and Auburn in the top 25. Give me a break. I haven't checked their schedules, but if any of those teams face a true neutral or road test in September, get your bets in against them.

    mark_v

  • That was a great article...

    "The system of propaganda reached its torrid, circle-jerk climax with the 2012 BCS title game between LSU and Alabama."

    ....And Oklahoma St. thought they were the ones getting screwed....lol

    verde

  • mark_v said...

    Some serious reading comprehension fail from those who are saying these 6 mythical national championships prove the SEC is the dominant best overall conference. I can't add much to the article...it pretty much laid it all out there. Maybe try reading it again?

    Just to use the most recent example, if in 2011 NCAA football had used the same criteria as NCAA basketball to choose the top teams, it's well-documented that we would have seen Oklahoma State vs. LSU. Then, with how LSU's offense was playing, and how stubbornly Miles was coaching, it's at least as likely as not that that OSU would have won. No matter if you think Alabama was "the best team" and would have beaten God's Army 1000 to 3. A rigged system gave them the chance to make up for their bad game, unlike any other conference's team.

    But the system rigged it so that the SEC won it. That's the most recent example of what this article is about. I know where the SEC's strength is. Heck, i bet it, so i'm not going to be stupid about it. But it's silly how warped ESPN and the public's perception is. Warped enough to pre-season rank Georgia #6? lol LSU #1?? LOL. Florida and Auburn in the top 25. Give me a break. I haven't checked their schedules, but if any of those teams face a true neutral or road test in September, get your bets in against them.

    I was pissed when Okie State lost that Friday night game in Ames. Oklahoma State against LSU would have been entertaining.....Truly hated seeing the ugly rematch between LSU and Alabama. Worst BCS Championship game ever. Seeing the Okie State offense against the LSU defense would have been pretty cool. Funny thing is, if, say, we played Wisconsin in a game like that for the National Championship, or Ohio State played Michigan, and it played out like that, we'd never hear the end of how that game set football back fifty years, slow Big Ten, blah blah blah. But because you had two SEC teams, it was an unstoppable force meeting an impenetrable object. (Not to take anything away from how good those defenses were).

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    sparty419

  • The SEC gets hype and whatnot.... but come on... the SEC powers are far better on-the-field products than almost everybody else.

    Final Countdown

  • This whole BCS thing is a money grabbing scam. They could have 3 eight year olds put together a better system. The new playoff thing I bet will feature 2 SEC teams. I guess SEC victories are worth double than other conferences wins

    N_StylezMSU86

  • I am not going to lie, I quit reading the article about halfway through, but I think I got the general gist of it and scanned the rest of it to see if my point was brought up and I didn't see it.

    My point is this: I would be curious to see the data in regards to regular season and bowl records in the 2nd half of the BCS era - roughly 2005 - present. I would venture to say that the environment of major college football has changed significantly since the advent of the bullshit BCS "system" and bowl games, and that is has created a system where schools in the SEC are willing to further "bend" the rules and stray from their mission statements as academic institutions first and foremost - moreso than they were doing during the first half of the BCS era.

    I would contend that the SEC is clearly the dominant conference in today's college football landscape. No ESPN shilling needed. However, in my mind "today's college football landscape" doesn't encompass the past 14+ years. It covers the last 7-8 years and during that time Slive and the SEC have evolved to put football at the front of their agendas, whereas many of the other conferences haven't been willing to do so.

    TL;DR - SEC has evolved to cheat since the advent of the BCS to become dominant. Denying their dominance today is dumb.

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    WhiteBoyHatcher

  • Final Countdown said...

    The SEC gets hype and whatnot.... but come on... the SEC powers are far better on-the-field products than almost everybody else.

    I'm still amazed at how most responses in favor of the SEC, not just on this board but everywhere, read like this one. In the middle of a long thread about events, systems, evidence, about an article that follows a line of logic (not that it's the ONLY way that line could be followed, but it's followed reasonably well), there will still be scores of responses like Final Countdown's.

    The article gives the reasons WHY the author thinks what he thinks. Factual reasons. How about some factual evidence for the other side, if you think the SEC is dominant? You can't just point to the mythical championships, because the whole premise is that the BCS is rigged to disproportionately hand those to the SEC. If the SEC is dominant, where are the dominant results in games that aren't pre-rigged?

    mark_v

  • Author makes some interesting points but there's no doubt the SEC is the best conference. I think the SEC simply manages to somehow put together the BEST team, year by year, but overall I don't think top to bottom the conference is better. SEC is better in terms of elite teams v. elite teams in other conferences.

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    Count gHostula

  • Count gHostula said...

    Author makes some interesting points but there's no doubt the SEC is the best conference. I think the SEC simply manages to somehow put together the BEST team, year by year, but overall I don't think top to bottom the conference is better. SEC is better in terms of elite teams v. elite teams in other conferences.

    There goes another one. Someone give some factual EVIDENCE, please. If they're so dominant, it shouldn't be difficult.

    mark_v

  • Count gHostula said...

    Author makes some interesting points but there's no doubt the SEC is the best conference. I think the SEC simply manages to somehow put together the BEST team, year by year, but overall I don't think top to bottom the conference is better. SEC is better in terms of elite teams v. elite teams in other conferences.

    Agreed. SEC depth is overrated. No doubt LSU and ALA were elite but, the rest of the conference isn't head over shoulders above all the other conferences. I hate when pundits say "if Ark, SC and UGA were in the B1G they would win it hands down". Besides that 1 elite team they are as any other conference. Most major conferences have 2 really good teams. Well except the big east.

    N_StylezMSU86

  • mark_v said...

    I'm still amazed at how most responses in favor of the SEC, not just on this board but everywhere, read like this one. In the middle of a long thread about events, systems, evidence, about an article that follows a line of logic (not that it's the ONLY way that line could be followed, but it's followed reasonably well), there will still be scores of responses like Final Countdown's.

    The article gives the reasons WHY the author thinks what he thinks. Factual reasons. How about some factual evidence for the other side, if you think the SEC is dominant? You can't just point to the mythical championships, because the whole premise is that the BCS is rigged to disproportionately hand those to the SEC. If the SEC is dominant, where are the dominant results in games that aren't pre-rigged?

    For example, I don't understand why the author is complaining about auburn. they went undefeated. That earns you a chance at a bcs title, in most cases. Stop whining about how their opponents were highly ranked.

    Final Countdown