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SI's Stewart Mandel: MSU fans in for rude awakening

  • I'm not going to give UW any sort of edge if that is in fact who MSU plays in the BTCG. They still have Bielema as their head coach, and even while UW had the more talented team the first several years Dantonio was able to play them remarkably close. Now that MSU is on par with UW talent wise (my opinion) they have beaten them two years in a row.

    If I were Dantonio I would borrow a couple of the speeches Herb Brooks gave to the 1980 Olympic hockey team. During the gold medal game against Finland they were down after two periods 2-1 and Brooks came into the dressing room, looked at the team and said “if you lose this game, you’ll remember it for the rest of your fucking lives..” He then turned and began walking out of the room , stopped, turned around and said ” your fucking lives!”

    The other was the speech he gave before the team faced the Russians.

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  • Loose Stools said...

    Every MSU fan should know the lay of the college football landscape. For us, it's Rose Bowl or bust. We can't control what UM gets or doesn't get, so if we're going to whine about what bowl game we get, that's just wasted energy. Given the relative choice a bowl will take UM over MSU pretty much any day of the week. It's all about name brand recognition and cash. It's the bowl system, and it sucks. We've kicked their ass four years in a row--that's my happy thought and comeback if any of those losers feels sense of superiority over the matter.

    It's the Bowl system twisted by the networks & sponsors. Wasn't always this way. If you think MSU would be better off being left out of a playoff system the same way they get passed over by bowls, I'd love to hear why.lol

    spartan80

  • Stewart Mandel kind of looks like Sling Blade

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    WavSpartan

  • Worst case scenario is we play an SEC team on New Year's Day. To me, that's still god. Gator or Outback, if MSU beats an SEC team, haters can go suck it.

    The_Dude

  • He's acting like we don't know what its like to be screwed over at bowl selection time. Like we've forgotten being passed over in 1999/2000 by a team with an identical record that we beat head to head and last year by 2 teams with identical records, one that we beat head to head and the other that we didn't play.

    Servo

  • Did he have a scenario where UM loses their last 2 games (and what bowl they would go to then)?

    NigelUno

  • NigelUno said...

    Did he have a scenario where UM loses their last 2 games (and what bowl they would go to then)?

    scUM LOSE!!??? That's sacreliege!!

    Madhatter536

  • If you aren't in a BCS bowl, then your bowl really doesn't mean shit.

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  • Spartan4ever said...

    I'm not going to give UW any sort of edge if that is in fact who MSU plays in the BTCG. They still have Bielema as their head coach, and even while UW had the more talented team the first several years Dantonio was able to play them remarkably close. Now that MSU is on par with UW talent wise (my opinion) they have beaten them two years in a row.

    If I were Dantonio I would borrow a couple of the speeches Herb Brooks gave to the 1980 Olympic hockey team. During the gold medal game against Finland they were down after two periods 2-1 and Brooks came into the dressing room, looked at the team and said “if you lose this game, you’ll remember it for the rest of your fucking lives..” He then turned and began walking out of the room , stopped, turned around and said ” your fucking lives!”

    The other was the speech he gave before the team faced the Russians.

    Everybody knows they won the gold against the Russians... DUH

    Marriage is like flying with kids, if the flight had 500 connections, never ended, Ted Striker were your pilot and you ate the fish.

    Pylon St8ofmind ●

  • SpartanElement said...

    Why does everyone expect scum to beat osu?

    This.

    theSpartan

  • MooTheKow said...

    Also - in the end - who cares? Bowl games are virtually meaningless .. there is 1 that matters and the rest are pretty much pointless.

    Correction: The rest are not "pretty much pointless." The rest are, in fact, entirely pointless exhibition games. The rest of the games are the equivalent of preseason NFL games. College football has the worst post-season. There is no sport anywhere on the planet that has a worse post-season. Yuck.

    This post was edited by Madison Spartan on 11/16/2011 at 1:36 PM

    Madison Spartan

  • Special Teams is part of the game too, and State special teams came up big the last two meetings. Last Year a punt return by K. Martin and a block field goal by D. Allen.

    This post was edited by Hlijae on 11/16/2011 at 1:38 PM

    Hlijae

  • Madison Spartan said...

    Correction: The rest are not "pretty much pointless." The rest are, in fact, entirely pointless exhibition games. The rest of the games are the equivalent of preseason NFL games. College football has the worst post-season. There is no sport anywhere on the planet that has a worse post-season. Yuck.

    Best regular season though.

    Buffalo Spartan ●

  • MooTheKow said...

    Maybe if MSU goes to a craptacular bowl they'll actually get matched up with a team they can compete with for a change?

    Also - in the end - who cares? Bowl games are virtually meaningless .. there is 1 that matters and the rest are pretty much pointless.

    there are 5 that matter. NGG and the 4 other BCS games

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  • Itz Pstein! said...

    If you aren't in a BCS bowl, then your bowl really doesn't mean shit.

    Because beating a Big East team in the Orange or Fiesta Bowl means more to a program than beating an SEC team in one of the other Florida Bowls ?

    WBill19542 ●

  • Madison Spartan said...

    Correction: The rest are not "pretty much pointless." The rest are, in fact, entirely pointless exhibition games. The rest of the games are the equivalent of preseason NFL games. College football has the worst post-season. There is no sport anywhere on the planet that has a worse post-season. Yuck.

    The NFL pro bowl is the only other major irrelevancy I can think of that even comes close.

    Of the 40 games, 5 kinda mean anything, 1 is everything, and the rest are dog and pony shows.

    Marriage is like flying with kids, if the flight had 500 connections, never ended, Ted Striker were your pilot and you ate the fish.

    Pylon St8ofmind ●

  • I we don't go Rose I'm rooting for Outback.

    Posting member of tRCMB since 1997. It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Spartan!!!!

    Raytooth Morgan

  • Not sure this is going to be an issue in 2 weeks.

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  • spartan80 said...

    It would be great if the Spartans could beat UW again. Shut up ESPN/Beilema/Delaney/Walverines/Pellini & staff all at once. I see it as 's 2011 Grand Finale matched only by Michael Corleone's snuffing of Moe Green & the heads of the other four familes!

    That's what I'm talking about.

    Shoetique ●

  • Oh ok. Looks like we'll just have to win then so we don't wonder and worry about what will happen. Lets just go to the Rose Bowl. I'm down for that, I guess!

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  • Buffalo Spartan said...

    If we lose the CCG I don't care what bowl we go to. I just want to win it. Not playing in Orlando would actually be nice. Bowl prestige really means nothing after the BCS bowls anyways.

    boom. it's BCS, and then everything else. we will get a good game no matter what and I wouldn't mind winning. Our only way in to the BCS is to win out

    SD Spartan

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I get the analysis: MSU beat Wisky on a last second Hail Mary with no time left at home. The game will be at a neutral site, so if MSU won by 6 (barely) with homefield, then the Badgers should be equipped to handle MSU on a neutral site.

    Few flaws in that:

    1) Wisky was up 14-0 before MSU took it's 2nd offensive snap (not drive, snap) because of Baker's fumble. That helped the Badgers a ton, and allowed them to tie it up late in the 4th.

    2) Will Gholston did not play at all in that game due to his suspension. Not a single other Big 10 has approached Wisconsin's 5.4 YPC average against MSU, and I think Gholston's absence was a factor.

    3) Nick Toon is hurting a bit, and Peter Konz, their 6'5 318 pound OC is out for 2-4 weeks with an ankle problem. They haven't missed much of a beat with him out . . . but they played Purdue and Minny. Come on. No Konz against Worthy and Co could be a problem.

    Of course Wisconsin could come out like gangbusters and beat MSU 38-17 or something too. They're a very good football team.

    This.

    It's just assumed that on a neutral field Wisc would obviously be better because how close things were in our game but it seems they forget/totally blocked out due to overwhelming bias towards favorites that:

    MSU rocked UW's shit for probably what combined to be about a half.
    Baker fumbled and we had to dig out of a little hole and we still managed to get up pretty big.
    Gholston will be back
    We'll be healthier overall I think

    Trying to be as objective as possible...for everyone to just assume UW rolls is stupid. I think MSU has a damn good chance in that game. Maybe not favorites but UW winning is not a foregone conclusion.

    JMCSpartan08

  • JMCSpartan08 said...

    This.

    It's just assumed that on a neutral field Wisc would obviously be better because how close things were in our game but it seems they forget/totally blocked out due to overwhelming bias towards favorites that:

    MSU rocked UW's shit for probably what combined to be about a half. Baker fumbled and we had to dig out of a little hole and we still managed to get up pretty big. Gholston will be back We'll be healthier overall I think

    Trying to be as objective as possible...for everyone to just assume UW rolls is stupid. I think MSU has a damn good chance in that game. Maybe not favorites but UW winning is not a foregone conclusion.

    Yep, and they didn't have much of an answer for Cunningham, even on what looked like really basic stuff.

    Gotta get there though, I'm really worried about Northwestern clicking now and having to potentially play them without Dennard, and you know like 3/4 of our defense because they are all going to be banned for life for not sprinting off the field every play vs Iowa.

    Plus if Ball is susceptible to concussions and we know Toon is made of paper mache that's a hell of a one two punch in MSU's and PSU's D to have to play back to back weeks.

    This post was edited by Pylon St8ofmind on 11/16/2011 at 2:10 PM

    Marriage is like flying with kids, if the flight had 500 connections, never ended, Ted Striker were your pilot and you ate the fish.

    Pylon St8ofmind ●

  • JMCSpartan08 said...

    We'll be healthier overall I think

    to me , this is the question. I think our D is pretty banged up right now. And while you hope they get a little rest this week, I doubt we'll get any rest against the purple cats. That offense they run with 3 step drops and quick passes and our bend but don't break defense means we'll be on the field alot and the game will be close.

    Just because they don't seem like a physically imposing team, our defense will be on the field alot.

    Sparty316

  • Sparty316 said...

    to me , this is the question. I think our D is pretty banged up right now. And while you hope they get a little rest this week, I doubt we'll get any rest against the purple cats. That offense they run with 3 step drops and quick passes and our bend but don't break defense means we'll be on the field alot and the game will be close.

    Just because they don't seem like a physically imposing team, our defense will be on the field alot.

    I hope we let Perles call the plays for that game. Give Bell 50 carries, it ain't heavy is it? Aside from the Nebraska game, who still ran pretty well, their rush D is poop.

    Marriage is like flying with kids, if the flight had 500 connections, never ended, Ted Striker were your pilot and you ate the fish.

    Pylon St8ofmind ●

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