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Should NCAA b-ball adopt 3-year rule for early departure?

  • On this week's Bitter Rivals podcast we discuss whether NCAA basketball should adopt the same early departure rules used by NCAA football, baseball and hockey - sign directly out of high school or wait 3 academic years before leaving early. The roadblock? The NBA players association. That and more....

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    This post was edited by TheCaptain on 3/28/2012 at 1:12 PM

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  • Would such a rule keep players like Sullenger, Zeller and Harris in school an extra year, or would it convince them to forgo college all together ? It could cut both ways.

    This post was edited by WBill19542 on 3/28/2012 at 1:30 PM

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  • WBill@ said...

    Would such a rule keep players like Sullenger, Zeller and Harris in school an extra year, or would it convince them to forgo college all together ? It could cut both ways.

    True, but it would be two extra years and I'd gladly sacrifice in that trade-off to bring more stability back into college basketball.

    TheCaptain

  • Seems like this idea has been around for a while. It's interesting but I'd rather see two years of anything.

    OverreactingDan

  • This isn't the NCAA's rule, right? I thought it was the professional league (in cooperation with the NCAA) determining when amateur players can turn pro.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Vim on 3/28/2012 at 1:40 PM

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  • My one friend and I have been saying this all year. Either go to the NBA or go to college and stay for 3 years. The talent would get more dispersed. Cal couldn't load up on 5 5*s each year. He might actually have to, dare I say, develop talent!

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  • It would be really interesting to see what would happen if the NBA went to the same length as the NFL and basically said you have to be out of high school for 3 years before you're allowed to be in the NBA draft. I honestly think you'd see more players take the Brandon Jennings route and go to Europe to play and get paid for those 3 years. You might even see guys play in college for a year and then go to Europe for the next two years. For every player like Austin Rivers that has family money and doesn't necessarily need to turn pro for the money, there are players like Zach Randolph who really needed the money. Randolph left after one year at MSU because he and his family (and the 2-3 kids he had) needed his financial support (and because he had the skills to play in the NBA).

    You also have a lot of players that go to college for one season because they basically know they only have to go to school for one semester to stay eligible. They don't really care about being in school and just do enough to get by in the spring semester. As soon as they have to stay eligible for 3 years, it changes a lot of things as well.

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  • A 3-year rule would reinforce the amateur aspect of college basketball. I'd like that.

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  • I still can't realistically see the NCAA forcing kids to stay a second and third year to keep getting a joke education while they wait to make millions. I can't see it working. It only works for football because kids have to physically develop before they can hope to play NFL ball.

    I have no problem with a kid who has the option to go to the draft, but wants to try out college for a year, then goes to the draft after the first year. All I care is that they're playing to play, not to jump to the NBA.

    It's like someone giving you a job offer, but saying if you take the offer, you'll have to work for 3 years, no matter what better option becomes available. You'll find any way to get out of it, but if you can't get out of it, you'll hate every minute of it. There'll be no heart in it. That's not what college hoops should be.

    This post was edited by Cuba Gooding Jr on 3/28/2012 at 1:51 PM

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  • Goud21 said...

    You also have a lot of players that go to college for one season because they basically know they only have to go to school for one semester to stay eligible. They don't really care about being in school and just do enough to get by in the spring semester. As soon as they have to stay eligible for 3 years, it changes a lot of things as well.

    I look at those guys as amateur in name only. A 3-year rule would probably get them to look more closely at alternatives (Europe), or might give them a kick in the butt to focus on school for a few years.

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  • Cuba Gooding Jr said...

    I still can't realistically see the NCAA forcing kids to stay a second and third year to keep getting a joke education while they wait to make millions. I can't see it working. It only works for football because kids have to physically develop before they can hope to play NFL ball.

    I have no problem with a kid who has the option to go to the draft, but wants to try out college for a year, then goes to the draft after the first year. All I care is that they're playing to play, not to jump to the NBA.

    It's like someone giving you a job offer, but saying if you take the offer, you'll have to work for 3 years, no matter what better option becomes available. You'll find any way to get out of it, but if you can't get out of it, you'll hate every minute of it. There'll be no heart in it. That's not what college hoops should be.

    I agree with everything you said, but I still think there are ways to balance the stick (losing money, risk of injury, etc) with some incentives. Maybe a bonus for college kids who are drafted? Modest payment/stipends while they are in school?

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  • What's the point of going to college for three years other than to get some more basketball experience? If you're not going to get your degree you might as well not go at all.

    ROtown Sparty

  • TheCaptain said...

    True, but it would be two extra years and I'd gladly sacrifice in that trade-off to bring more stability back into college basketball.

    it wouldn't bring stability...it would bring a bunch of nba prospects being in school and hating it for no other reason than someone is forcing them too and wont let them pursue the better options available. how would you feel if someone said you can have this job but if you get offered 6 figures to take a better job that will make you even happier you can't do it...you would be miserable

    Big Fella

  • O.K., I see your logic regarding college football....so let's set that aside, why does it work for college hockey and college baseball?

    TheCaptain

  • Cuba Gooding Jr said...

    I still can't realistically see the NCAA forcing kids to stay a second and third year to keep getting a joke education while they wait to make millions. I can't see it working. It only works for football because kids have to physically develop before they can hope to play NFL ball.

    I have no problem with a kid who has the option to go to the draft, but wants to try out college for a year, then goes to the draft after the first year. All I care is that they're playing to play, not to jump to the NBA.

    It's like someone giving you a job offer, but saying if you take the offer, you'll have to work for 3 years, no matter what better option becomes available. You'll find any way to get out of it, but if you can't get out of it, you'll hate every minute of it. There'll be no heart in it. That's not what college hoops should be.

    O.K., I see your logic regarding college football....so let's set that aside, why does it work for college hockey and college baseball?

    TheCaptain

  • WBill@ said...

    Would such a rule keep players like Sullenger, Zeller and Harris in school an extra year, or would it convince them to forgo college all together ? It could cut both ways.

    The NBA should changed the rule. I have no problem with guys like KG, Tyson Chandler, Kobe, and LeBron!

    Ron_in_ATL

  • ROtown Sparty said...

    What's the point of going to college for three years other than to get some more basketball experience? If you're not going to get your degree you might as well not go at all.

    Mostly it's to benefit basketball, but for a lot of students (including athletes) you can get close enough to a degree in 3 years that you can finish the rest in the off-season or during summers later.

    mark_v

  • I think this is great for everyone involved. The reason the NBA is so unwatchable now is that it is all athleticism and no fundamentals. Players come into the league without fully developing their game. Having kids in college or Europe longer let's players grow a while longer before the condensed schedules of the NBA limit practice time.

    For the college game, it provides more continuity, talent, and parity...at least at the top. Everybody talks about parity in college basketball right now, but is it really? Sure we have a few Cinderellas, but the parity is coming about mainly because the truly elite talent is being collected at the very top because one and done allows for continuous reloading. This means that the top talent doesn't get spread around the middle teams in the power conferences like they used to, making them more susceptible to a defeat by a mid major.

    By spreading the talent out, the power conferences will become much better and perhaps we see things like a Maryland and/or a Wake Forest return to be legitimate contenders to break the two team stranglehold Duke and UNC have had on the ACC in recent years.

    I like it, but it has to come from the NBA.

    wingfanjim

  • Cuba Gooding Jr said...

    I still can't realistically see the NCAA forcing kids to stay a second and third year to keep getting a joke education while they wait to make millions. I can't see it working. It only works for football because kids have to physically develop before they can hope to play NFL ball.

    I have no problem with a kid who has the option to go to the draft, but wants to try out college for a year, then goes to the draft after the first year. All I care is that they're playing to play, not to jump to the NBA.

    It's like someone giving you a job offer, but saying if you take the offer, you'll have to work for 3 years, no matter what better option becomes available. You'll find any way to get out of it, but if you can't get out of it, you'll hate every minute of it. There'll be no heart in it. That's not what college hoops should be.

    I see what you are saying... If they change their mind and want to play pro after a year, they can go overseas!

    Ron_in_ATL

  • It's the NBA's rule so that they can take a look at kids for a year in college before committing all the $$ to them. Why can't the NCAA just say fine but we have our own rule that says if you accept a scholarship you're bound to staying with an NCAA school for at least 2 (or 3) years? That would force the NBA to reconsider their 1-year rule and probably ditch it, and we'd be back to having a few select high school kids go straight to the NBA, and the rest staying in college longer where they get to develop better and we get to watch them longer. Win-win, even if the NBA wouldn't be happy with it.

    mark_v

  • TheCaptain said...

    O.K., I see your logic regarding college football....so let's set that aside, why does it work for college hockey and college baseball?

    For baseball hardly anyone makes the bigs before 21 anyway. When choosing to sign or not at 18 they are typically choosing between college or 3 years in the minors.

    The difference with basketball from the other sports is that more 18-19-20 year olds can make an NBA roster and be a contributing player.

    This post was edited by WBill19542 on 3/28/2012 at 2:25 PM

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  • It's an NBA rule, not an NCAA rule. The NCAA has no way to force a player to stay an extra 2 years, and has no way to prevent the NBA from drafting a player if they did leave after 1 year.

    The NCAA could offer their opinion to how the NBA should run itself, but that's about it. The NBA will still do whatver it wants.

    Rodeo Burger

  • Rodeo Burger said...

    It's an NBA rule, not an NCAA rule. The NCAA has no way to force a player to stay an extra 2 years, and has no way to prevent the NBA from drafting a player if they did leave after 1 year.

    The NCAA could offer their opinion to how the NBA should run itself, but that's about it. The NBA will still do whatver it wants.

    +1

    the rule is for the NBAPA to change. the NCAA has absolutely no say.

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  • I don't see how this benefits anything but the European game. Just kill the NBA's rule and call it a day.

    This post was edited by Thrillho on 3/28/2012 at 3:06 PM

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