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Thank God for her good sense.

That is just dumb logic...and a terrible analogy.

Great thoughts, will read again.

This is an absolutely stupid idea. There is no reason for them to be kicked out. As others have stated, it makes no sense to do so. Their Big Ten status has nothing to do what Sandusky and the others did. Penn State as an institution is not the enemy here. By kicking them out of the Big Ten you not only harm student athletes and the athletic program but other students, faculty, alumni and every supporter of the university. If anything, the big ten should help and support Penn State right the wrong that was done. The Big Ten isn't just about athletics after all. And remember, Penn State is NOT the enemy here. Sandusky and everyone who covered up this abuse is. But they are NOT Penn State.

You don't kick them out for past behavior. The only reason to do it would be if it was clear the unacceptable behavior would continue in the future.

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That's just it - these crimes weren't limited to the football program. Giving the football program the death penalty ignores the fact that the president, board and entire leadership of the school were negligent or even complicit in the crimes. Would you only shut down the Engineering school if Sandusky had been an employee there instead of the Athletic Department?

People seem to be comparing what has happened here to scandals of the past that were usually limited to athletic programs and involved cheating the system (Fab 5, SMU, etc). This scandal is unmatched in the history of college athletics - and perhaps academia in general. We should want no part of associating with an institution that could be complicit in something like this.

I wouldn't mind seeing them go away, for a while, I just don't think it's legally or fiscally possible for the B1G to remove them.

The amount of contracts breaches would be significant. The Confernece would be sued by everyone from academic publishers to TV networks.

The B1G would have to cancel all contracts signed for the B1G Football Championship game as NCAA rules would not allow one.

The Big Ten Hockey Conference would be reduced to nothing as the NCAA would not recognize it with less than 6 teams...the former CCHA and WCHA members who spent resources reorganizing would not be happy and could also find grounds to sue...additionally the money the conference dumped into the endeavor would be lost.

The B1G Footprint would shrink significantly and subscriptions rates for carriers in Pennsylvania and east would jump per contracts with the carriers.

You could avoid some lawsuits and contract breaches by adding one school, Notre Dame, but irony aside, I doubt the B1G will crawl to them.

What I'd like to see is a severe censor by the Confernece instead of complete removal. Let them exist in the conference as a shadow:

My sanctions are as follows:

They would be an academic partner on the level of U Chicago.

All coaches and athletic administrators hired before before Sandusky's arrest would be fired or retired with cause (much like Wharton cleaning MSU's house in the 70's).

All current student Athletes would be allowed to transfer without penalty, or remain on scholarship of they choose.

No new athletic scholarships will be allowed for a period of 5 years in any sport.

The Athletic Budget will be maintained by the conference and only maintance funds will be availible for PSU's use for a period of 5 years.

No off campus athletic recruiting or outreach. They are only allowed to recruit from the established admitted student body for a period of 5 years.

No non conference games by any athletic team participating in a B1G sanctioned sport will be permitted for a period of 5 years.

A 5 year conference and NCAA postseason ban will be enforced for 5 years.

The B1G Network will remove PSU from any marketing initiative, remove all non live event programming and only show live events they are contractually obligated to show for a period of 5 years. They will encourage other network partners to do the same.

PSU will forfeit any shared Athletic conference pooled money back to the rest of the conference. This includes their B1G network share and bowl/other post season shares.

PSU will not be allowed to charge mandatory donations or personal seat Liscense fees for athletic event addmittance for 5 years.

Ticket prices will be frozen at current non donation levels for 5 years.

Paterno and any event Paterno was involved in including national championship banners/trophies, game highlights, statues and other tributes, etc.. can not be used for promotion or tribute by the Univeristy or their Athletic Department for a period of 20 years.

The Paterno family, Spanier Family, Curly Family etc...will have no contact with the University for 10 years.

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I don't know if I want them kicked out, but I wouldn't be disappointed if they were kicked out.

Don't think they should be kicked out, but holy hell - can you imagine the circus each away game for PSU will be this year? Opposing student sections will be brutal for them.

I had the same feeling at the time. It was billed as a treatable lesion and suddenly he was gone... I have always harbored suspicions that he opted for euthanasia rather than face the music... Terrible thing to think, but it immediately crossed my mind at the time.