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Smoker, Stanton, Hoyer or Cousins

  • Cousins easily

    JVSparty

  • arfabe16 said...

    Yeah... I saw Stanton's senior year from the stands, and it honestly was nothing special. Hell, even that comeback against NU, most of what Drew did was throw slants to TJ Williams, and the NU linebackers inexplicably were never there to stop him.

    I like Stanton but I just don't think he even belongs in the same conversation as Cousins or Smoker. I mean, the guy just couldn't throw a good deep pass...

    Pull up tape from the game against NU in 2005, he had some absolutely awful throws trying to get us back in the game. Just wounded ducks.

    The Illinois game in 2006, fumbles on the two yard line as we were about to score on the opening possession. Huge points left off the board. He would have some bad games against really bad teams mixed in there. I think he was a solid quarterback, but nowhere near the caliber of Cousins.

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    Punisher99 ●

  • I really pissed on Hoyer during his career at MSU. He wasn't as bad as I remember, was he?

    Anyway, partly because he just finished an outstanding career I choose Kirk Cousins.

    Big John Studd ●

  • Kirk Cousins is the only guy I would pick over another great MSU QB--Eddie Smith.

    Its five o'clock somewhere.

    Hematoma ●

  • Punisher99 said...

    Its not like he had these "elite" wideouts. None of them, in fact, were elite. All mostly just solid. He had average offensive lines for the most part too. He throws a good ball, is smart, and improved on weaknesses constantly while here. Silly to chose anyone but him.

    All the QBs on this last had good skill players around him. Guys like Rogers, Haygood, Ringer, Jehuu, just to name a few, came before Cousins. Yes, Cousins had better defenses, but that doesn't negate the fact he was put in clutch situations and late-game critical drives all the time, and succeeded often.

    The premise of the question is still who you'd want quarterbacking THIS current team. With all these new wideouts it seems like you'd also want your best leader/mentor/on-field coach, and that nod also goes to Cousins.

    "RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog

    JEK ●

  • Punisher99 said...

    Its truly baffling to me that a kid that never won anything like Drew Stanton can be praised so highly and a guy like Cousins (who only won three games against Michigan, a B10 Title, a bowl game, and numerous games over ranked teams) can get such little respect. Not to mention the statistics which totally suggest Cousins, the fact that Cousins is a better pro prospect, or the fact that Cousins was 17-7 in B10 games while Stanton was 6-14.

    Yeah, let's take Cousins #3, maybe #4 behind Hoyer. Give me a break.

    Drew was an absolute warrior and a great representative for MSU. But for whatever reason, he gets golden boy treatment by 99% of posters on this board, with all the blame going to JLS and his teammates. To me, Drew Stanton was a big reason why JLS failed at MSU.

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  • Smoker - Likely the best, but that whole cocaine-thing. I have a hard time putting him at #1 because of that.
    Stanton - Guy was a true warrior, but was not well-rounded. He ran too much, and didn't throw down-field enough
    Hoyer - Mister unsung hero. By his senior year, he was a solid QB. I recall Hoyer being an excellent game manager.
    Cousins - best leader. Good examples include elected captain 3 times and representing the players at the B1G Conference. Perhaps the most accurate QB in MSU's recent past.

    In the end, I want Cousins with Hoyer as his back-up.

    Dicks Fake Eye2

  • Smoker by a long shot. Then Stanton. Why? Because I saw all 4 of these guys play..

    Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance

    StylesGShmooth

  • StylesGShmooth said...

    Smoker by a long shot. Then Stanton. Why? Because I saw all 4 of these guys play..

    So did the rest of us.

    "RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog

    JEK ●

  • Cousins this is a no brainer for me. Statistically he is the best qb we have ever had, and as people mentioned he knew how to get it done late in games. The game nobody will mention is 2009 against Iowa. Cousins put us in position to win that game down the stretch. I remember driving home listening to the post game after and Blair White said he ran the wrong route, and Cousins still found him and hit him for what should have been the game winning touchdown. Cousins is the best of the bunch.

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  • JEK said...

    So did the rest of us.

    lol no kidding. These are the last 4 starting QBs... it's not like we're talking about guys from the 60's and 70's.

    arfabe16

  • StylesGShmooth said...

    Smoker by a long shot. Then Stanton. Why? Because I saw all 4 of these guys play..

    So since we all didn't play semi-pro football we aren't justified in having an opinion on the matter?

    This post was edited by Punisher99 on 6/24/2012 at 3:58 PM

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  • htown3000 said...

    How good was MSU's defense that season? Also a good defense helps take some pressure off the offense in late game wins. Sorta hard to figure this one out because they were under different leadership. That goes from play calling, conditioning, scheme, mentality, team taking identity of coach. If they were all coached under MD I'm sure Stanton would have had a higher completion %. And more importantly a better winning percentage which then could answer the question of had more comeback/ late game victories.

    Here's a better question: In a late situation with a chance to win the game. Who would you have coach the team? Dantonio, J L Smith, or B Williams?

    MSU has had great QBs. Here's my order: Smoker, Stanton (close 2nd), Cousins, Hoyer. Stanton could very well be #1 because of his feet.

    Pressure works both ways. Sometimes all it takes is a first down or 2, not a score. MSU's offense under JLS, with Stanton at QB, were front runners. Pile up the gaudy stats when things are going well, and disappear late in close games. 3 and out, D right back on the field. I'm sure a lot of that was on the coaches, but Drew was the QB.

    I would pick Cousins because I'm certain he would be working the young receivers tails off when the coaches wern't around. Then Smoker because he had the arm, then Hoyer then Stanton.

    JLSparty

  • Punisher99 said...

    So since we all didn't play semi-pro football we aren't justified in having an opinion on the matter?

    Did I say something about semi-pro football?

    Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance

    StylesGShmooth

  • StylesGShmooth said...

    Did I say something about semi-pro football?

    Well you said "I saw them play". So did we. Why exactly would you pick Smoker or Stanton considering if you were watching the same thing I was at games, you would be silly to not take Cousins over Stanton and probably Smoker too.

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  • Punisher99 said...

    Well you said "I saw them play". So did we. Why exactly would you pick Smoker or Stanton considering if you were watching the same thing I was at games, you would be silly to not take Cousins over Stanton and probably Smoker too.

    Because I saw them play, so I don't need stats. 4th qtr, we need a drive to win the game, I want the ball in Smoke's hands. Cousins is the far better leader and had a more accomplished career but if I need somebody to drop it on the numbers, Smoke is my guy. He was mobile and and a better pure passer.

    This post was edited by StylesGShmooth on 6/24/2012 at 5:59 PM

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    StylesGShmooth

  • StylesGShmooth said...

    Because I saw them play, so I don't need stats. 4th qtr, we need a drive to win the game, I want the ball in Smoke's hands. Cousins is the far better leader and had a more accomplished career but if I need somebody to drop it on the numbers, Smoke is my guy. He was mobile and and a better pure passer.

    Except Cousins did all that more times than Smoker did.

    "RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog

    JEK ●

  • StylesGShmooth said...

    Because I saw them play, so I don't need stats. 4th qtr, we need a drive to win the game, I want the ball in Smoke's hands. Cousins is the far better leader and had a more accomplished career but if I need somebody to drop it on the numbers, Smoke is my guy. He was mobile and and a better pure passer.

    Clutch was close, both had some amazing crunch-time performances in big games. Both won bowl games and beat UM and ND.

    Again though, I saw them play too. If you really think Stanton was a better quarterback than Cousins I don't know what you're watching. As far as mobility goes, Cousins definitely had some. Pull up tape from the '09 UM game or the '11 UGA game. Cousins uses his feet when he needs to, but he's quick when he does.

    Overall, I think a lot of peole just "like" Smoker and Stanton's personalities better than KC, even though KC is easily the best MSU QB of all time.

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    Punisher99 ●

  • Punisher99 said...

    Overall, I think a lot of peole just "like" Smoker and Stanton's personalities better than KC, even though KC is easily the best MSU QB of all time.

    Cousins isn't easily the best MSU QB of all-time. Earl Morrall probably is. He won the state championship in high school, a claimed national championship at MSU and the Super Bowl multiple times.

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    Giant Moose

  • Punisher99 said...

    Overall, I think a lot of peole just "like" Smoker and Stanton's personalities better than KC, even though KC is easily the best MSU QB of all time.

    I agree. I think a lot of people in this thread picked with their hearts, not their heads. Smoker and Stanton were easy guys to identify with -- just seemed like generally cool dudes (bros?) you'd like to hang out with. KC, while a tremendous kid, was seen as sort of a poor man's Tim Tebow in ways, which was a turn off to some. I'm not a religious person at all, but his beliefs never bothered me. I just care about the team and winning.

    "RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog

    JEK ●

  • cousins miller or enos.

    Spartytruth

  • Cousins.

    All I need to see is the under 2:00 drive against Georgia to send the game into OT to name him the best. In a late game scenario I would go with KC over the others.

    The drive starts at 10:50.

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    Brennan1

  • Brennan1 said...

    Cousins.

    All I need to see is the under 2:00 drive against Georgia to send the game into OT to name him the best. In a late game scenario I would go with KC over the others.

    The drive starts at 10:50.

    Smoker had about as many of these late game saves as Cousins, but keep in mind he had Rogers and Duckett.

    I don't think people liked Smoker and Stanton's personalities more than Cousins as much as they thought they were more fun to watch.

    SpartanPride204

  • Treadingcedar23 said...

    Smoker then Stanton. Stanton had awful teams and under Coach D I think he would've been in the heisman watch.. Same as Smoker.

    Easy answer is cousins, but I fear the wrs wont be able to get open enough, so well need some mobility. Therefore, im going w smoker. I would have picked stanton, but all he threw was ducks here and that's not very helpful for these wrs.

    blanch32

  • blanch32 said...

    Easy answer is cousins, but I fear the wrs wont be able to get open enough, so well need some mobility. Therefore, im going w smoker. I would have picked stanton, but all he threw was ducks here and that's not very helpful for these wrs.

    I must've missed something here, but when did Smoker all of a sudden become this mobile flash while Cousins is just a straight statue. Yeah, Stanton definitely was more mobile than any of them, but I remember Smoker after 2001 being very slow and sluggish at times. KC didn't run often, but when he had to, he would do it very effectively.

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