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So how many fouls did Michigan have all night long?

  • Foul disparity seemed ridiculous. Anyone have the numbers?

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    DickRod

  • No clue, but the one foul with about 4 mins left the announcers said that was the FIRST SCu-m player to have more than one foul.

    Sorry, but NO team is THAT good at not fouling. I don't give a shit who you are.

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  • UM 8 fouls
    MSU 12 fouls

    Green Buzz

  • Green Buzz said...

    UM 8 fouls MSU 12 fouls

    8 fouls...for the ENTIRE game? I've never seen that before.

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    DickRod

  • I thought after the game I heard some announcer say UM only had 5 fouls the whole game. Is that even possible?

    spartanfish

  • Green Buzz said...

    UM 8 fouls MSU 12 fouls

    And Appling had 4 them...2 on questionable charge calls.

    The last one he picked up, Morgan slid in after he was in the air and gave him no room to come down. Of course Morgan is basically a statue so the Valentine calls Appling for it. Total Bullshit call.

    MSULordyoda

  • The officiating was very strange tonight. Not at all like ANY other Big 10 game I've seen in recent memory. It was the difference in this game.

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  • MSULordyoda said...

    And Appling had 4 them...2 on questionable charge calls.

    The last one he picked up, Morgan slid in after he was in the air and gave him no room to come down. Of course Morgan is basically a statue so the Valentine calls Appling for it. Total Bullshit call.

    Questionable? All of those charges were horse shit calls. Go back and look at the 2 that Hardaway Jr. was able to draw. Both times, the MSU player coming at him straight on and he falls to his side. He landed on his hip both times. He dove out of the way backwards. That is not a charge.

    Charlie Kelly

  • A non-factor.

    Game on the line and Appling bounces one off his foot then loafs back on defense the following series allowing an easy michigan layup for the lead and essentially the game.

    Wood, another non-factor despite being a fifth year senior, once again played like a deer in headlights by obviously not understanding how to play games on the road in the Big Ten wanted NOTHING to do with the ball on the last series.

    Spy vs Spy23038

  • FTA's were the difference in the game

    UM 13

    MSU 5

    Rex Havoc

  • We shot 5 free throws. Our average is 23 per game. We are an inside team and Michigan is a perimeter team, yet they shot 15 free throws. We had two baskets taken away on questionable charges. We also out rebounded them 31 to 15. We could have played smarter and tighter D, but the deck was clearly stacked in UM favor tonight.

    "It's a great day for a ballgame - let's play two" Ernie Banks

    vikingtom

  • Charlie Kelly said...

    Questionable? All of those charges were horse shit calls. Go back and look at the 2 that Hardaway Jr. was able to draw. Both times, the MSU player coming at him straight on and he falls to his side. He landed on his hip both times. He dove out of the way backwards. That is not a charge.

    Oh I know they were all bullshit.

    I just pointed out the last one because it was practically isolated from the rest of the players.

    The charge Hardaway took on Green cost us a bucket as well.

    MSULordyoda

  • Spy vs. Spy said...

    A non-factor.

    Game on the line and Appling bounces one off his foot then loafs back on defense the following series allowing an easy michigan layup for the lead and essentially the game.

    Wood, another non-factor despite being a fifth year senior, once again played like a deer in headlights by obviously not understanding how to play games on the road in the Big Ten wanted NOTHING to do with the ball on the last series.

    If you don't think it was a factor, you didn't watch the game.

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  • Spy vs. Spy said...

    A non-factor.

    Game on the line and Appling bounces one off his foot then loafs back on defense the following series allowing an easy michigan layup for the lead and essentially the game.

    Wood, another non-factor despite being a fifth year senior, once again played like a deer in headlights by obviously not understanding how to play games on the road in the Big Ten wanted NOTHING to do with the ball on the last series.

    2 baskets waived off for questionable charging calls is not really a non-factor.

    Not to mention Appling having to sit for several minutes because he had 4 fouls.

    This post was edited by MSULordyoda on 1/17/2012 at 8:15 PM

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  • Spy vs. Spy said...

    A non-factor.

    Game on the line and Appling bounces one off his foot then loafs back on defense the following series allowing an easy michigan layup for the lead and essentially the game.

    Wood, another non-factor despite being a fifth year senior, once again played like a deer in headlights by obviously not understanding how to play games on the road in the Big Ten wanted NOTHING to do with the ball on the last series.

    It's not a non-factor though. We played like shit, especially on D, but they had 8 more FTs. So if you give us some of the plays I thought were obvious fouls or take away some their very questionable calls, we win this game. They took way more outside shots while we were going down low. The fouls didn't make sense watching the game and looking at the box score.

    There were a lot of things that we could have done to change the outcome, but the refs were not a non-factor.

    KamState

  • MSULordyoda said...

    2 baskets waived off for questionable charging calls in a one-point game is not really a non-factor.

    Fixed it for you.

    SpartanInNH

  • As Tirico said, in over 20 years of basketball, he's never seen a game officiated like that. It was VERY strange, especially when they make their living shooting from the perimeter and have 3 times the foul shots. And the difference was 1 point. 1 f*&king point. Pretty sure the officiating had a BIG effect on the outcome of this game.

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  • the rush in the last 4 minutes where douglass gets the bs call, then burke gets the BS 3 seconds after play continued and then the charge on appling proved to be the difference in the game. refs did a pretty solid job for most of the game simply swallowing the whistle, then step in like tht. And btw, we had shot the majority of our shots in the paint and on drives.

    that said, still had a chance to win it. Sure, novak pushed green and wood also got fouled, but it was still a sloppy possession.

    mentalstate

  • MSULordyoda said...

    2 baskets waived off for questionable charging calls is not really a non-factor.

    Not to mention Appling having to sit for several minutes because he had 4 fouls.

    I'd like to throw in the two fouls called after valentine saw that the basket was missed

    This post was edited by KamState on 1/17/2012 at 8:19 PM

    KamState

  • Truth is, unfortunately, there are too many days where we have to overcome the officiating. We couldn't quite do it today.

    I wonder if Duke ever has to deal with this type of BS?

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  • KamState said...

    I'd like tothrow in the two fouls called after valentine saw that the basket was missed

    Yeah, both of those were just bullshit.

    Everyone assumed Douglass was going to make the easy lay up...ball rims out and suddenly a foul is called. I couldn't believe that one. That was hockey "intent to blow the whistle" bad.

    MSULordyoda

  • I have seen one other game officiated like this. It was also MSU at UM, several years ago when neitzel was on the team and we lost at Crisler. I was at that game and I remember the foul discrepancy was like 40 to 10 or something rediculous. I have never forgotten how frustrating the home cookin in that game was and this game reminded me of it. That being said, we could have won despite the refs tonight if we weren't playing like shit practically the whole game.

    This post was edited by spartanfish on 1/17/2012 at 8:26 PM

    spartanfish

  • mentalstate said...

    the rush in the last 4 minutes where douglass gets the bs call, then burke gets the BS 3 seconds after play continued and then the charge on appling proved to be the difference in the game. refs did a pretty solid job for most of the game simply swallowing the whistle, then step in like tht. And btw, we had shot the majority of our shots in the paint and on drives.

    that said, still had a chance to win it. Sure, novak pushed green and wood also got fouled, but it was still a sloppy possession.

    Did you like when in the last 2 minutes when we were taking the ball out of bounds some scummer bear hugged Green when he was trying to move to get the ball or set a screen? We end up throwing the ball to Appling, it gets tipped, he touches it, goes of his foot, turnover, scum ball.

    Charlie Kelly

  • DickRod said...

    If you don't think it was a factor, you didn't watch the game.

    If you would have told me the PF totals for each team at tipoff I would have taken MSU in a heartbeat. Despite Appling having 4 PF, the game was not decided by fouls.

    Even with Appling sitting, are we really worried that our depth at this position (or most every other position for that matter) couldn't handle michigan's talent?

    The 2 fouls on Appling don't bother as much because, like it or not, the home team is going to get those calls. What bothers me is Appling not being able to handle michigan's pressure at the end by turning it over (especially right after a TO) and then getting owned by a nobody (who was never even offered a scholarship by another Big Ten school) for the easy layup and win. He is much too talented to be that friggin' lazy in the last seconds when the game is on the line.

    This post was edited by Spy vs Spy23038 on 1/17/2012 at 8:33 PM

    Spy vs Spy23038

  • They sway momentum at key times. Not just in our games but in all games. Nothing we can do about it.

    forevergreen21669

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