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Solutions to the One-and-Done problem....

  • ....thoughts? The NCAA and the universities have no control over the NBA collective bargaining agreement which sets out the one year removed from high school graduation to be eligible for the NBA draft.

    I remember the days when Freshmen were not eligible to compete at the "varsity" level. So, why not bring that rule back? Kids who are talented might find another outlet for their preNBA training...expanded AAU programs maybe....if they are not serious about getting a college education. So, I am suggesting the return to that rule for NCAA member institutions. Allow the kids to practice, but ensure they are making suitable progress in the classroom at the same time, and then, at the end of the freshman, rule them either eligible to compete the following year or leave. You could treat the freshman year as a form of red shirt and allow four total years of eligibility to compete.

    ancientspartan

  • I want to know what happens to Kentucky, because their grad % will be horrible with all the 1 and dones? I thought there was a minimum % you had to have or there were penalties.

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    277Gunson

  • I proposed my idea in the fix college basketball thread and got called a communist... (basically a hard NBA rookie pay scale based on the athletes education and prior professional experience rather than draft position).

    This post was edited by RPMadMSU on 4/4/2012 at 6:47 AM

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  • Take away scholarships if the one and dones don't complete at least a full year of school in core classes english, math, science. You have to believe that the uk players haven't been going to school since christmas break. You lose 3 years of scholarship for every occurrence. after last year and this year uk would be down to maybe 3 scholarship players.

    And make it so only scholarship players can play in games. It would take a couple of years, but colleges(UK) would have to rethink their strategy if they started to have to play short for lack of scholarship players.

    Raygunz

  • Raygunz said...

    Take away scholarships if the one and dones don't complete at least a full year of school in core classes english, math, science. You have to believe that the uk players haven't been going to school since christmas break. You lose 3 years of scholarship for every occurrence. after last year and this year uk would be down to maybe 3 scholarship players.

    And make it so only scholarship players can play in games. It would take a couple of years, but colleges(UK) would have to rethink their strategy if they started to have to play short for lack of scholarship players.

    Or just reserve scholarships for 4 years for a player, meaning if a player goes pro or drops out (not transfer) the scholarship remains tied up until 4 years after the scholarship was initiated. Can't use that spot for another player.

    Though that would hurt the chances of any walk on eventually getting a scholarship, so I'm not sure it would ever be adopted.

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  • The NBA wants to keep NBA scouts out of high schools. I think that the NBA needs to adopt the MLB's rule. If a player is good enough to go to the NBA let him go. If he isn't than he must complete three years before returning for the draft. Unfortunately this doesn't really keep scouts out of high schools.

    What can the NCAA do? I think nothing. The graduation rate can prohibit a team from competing in the NCAA tourney, but I don't think that fixes anything. The one and done kids still need to go somewhere for a year. It would create a system where one and done kids will be avoided.

    The NBA needs to sink more money into the D League and create an acceptable alternative to the NCAA where one and done players can go for their one year between high school and the NBA, or institute the MLB draft rules to allow kids to enter the NBA and not destroy NCAA basketball.

    Io Triumphe

  • Why not just make the rule the same as hockey and baseball? You have the option of going straight to the pro's out of HS (if you're not good enough, you rot in the D league) or going to college. If you pick the college road, you are there for a minimum of three years.

    MSU1995

  • If a "student athlete" receives a scholarship, they should mandate they must stay in school for a minimum of 3 years. This way, the "student athlete" actually has to attend class and can't just take electives for 2 semesters then bolt. Make them actually become student athletes.

    Bobby Boucher

  • How about we just leave the kids to do whats in their best interests? Its up to a coach to recruit and bring a kid he thinks plans on leaving in a year. Izzo made his choice not to always go chasing those kids- he won't turn one away, but he puts his resources elsewhere.

    As for all the paranoia of a Kentucky one and done domination- this isn't the first group that Calipari has had Memphis/UK. He finally put the pieces together and won one. The Davis kid was an exceptionally unselfish player that led his team to the title.

    Limit the basketball players then do the same for the teen tennis players and others as well. Imagine how great the college game would be for tennis??? Point is the kids have a right to make their dreams and livings come true as they see fit. If the colleges don't like it then don't recruit them.

    It's the NBA's problem if they take a bunch of kids who are not mature yet or whose games really aren't ready yet.

    Spartan89

  • 277Gunson said...

    I want to know what happens to Kentucky, because their grad % will be horrible with all the 1 and dones? I thought there was a minimum % you had to have or there were penalties.

    I don't think graduation rate matters any more. As long as the kid is in line to graduate when he leaves then it is good in the NCAA's eyes. So with these Kentucky freshmen, they've had enough people going to class and doing their work for them that the NCAA can't do anything to their grad rate. What's funny is that if a player transfers, thus continuing their education, it actually hurts the school that they are transferring from. It's completely fucked up and backwards.

    I want to see the NBA go to a baseball type system, although it should be two years in college instead of three. If a guy like Shabazz Mohamed and Anthony Davis are ready to go pro, what's the point in forcing them to stay around for a year, or two if Stern gets his way this summer. Generally after 2 years you have a good idea if a kid is a pro or not, so that extra forced year on a guy would only hurt him.

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  • 277Gunson said...

    I want to know what happens to Kentucky, because their grad % will be horrible with all the 1 and dones? I thought there was a minimum % you had to have or there were penalties.

    nope, just have to be on track to graduate

    the NCAA is a jokelol

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  • Spartan89 said...

    How about we just leave the kids to do whats in their best interests? Its up to a coach to recruit and bring a kid he thinks plans on leaving in a year. Izzo made his choice not to always go chasing those kids- he won't turn one away, but he puts his resources elsewhere.

    As for all the paranoia of a Kentucky one and done domination- this isn't the first group that Calipari has had Memphis/UK. He finally put the pieces together and won one. The Davis kid was an exceptionally unselfish player that led his team to the title.

    Limit the basketball players then do the same for the teen tennis players and others as well. Imagine how great the college game would be for tennis??? Point is the kids have a right to make their dreams and livings come true as they see fit. If the colleges don't like it then don't recruit them.

    It's the NBA's problem if they take a bunch of kids who are not mature yet or whose games really aren't ready yet.

    Removing the NBA criteria is the only thing that I can see working. If Stern doesn't want to do that, then he should be forced to.

    - Scholarship removal for kids that don't stay would put the schools in jeopardy for something totally out of their control.
    - The freshman rule doesn't guarantee the kids won't bolt after their freshmen year anyhow (rendering the scholly useless).

    I do think the NCAA should tie scholarships to a graduation rate and enforce the rule. I know many of those will be reserved for the bench-warmers, but it is in the spirit of academics. It's the only measure of ROI for giving away a free education (vs. reserving a players services for a year).

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  • Spartan89 said...

    Limit the basketball players then do the same for the teen tennis players and others as well. Imagine how great the college game would be for tennis??? Point is the kids have a right to make their dreams and livings come true as they see fit. If the colleges don't like it then don't recruit them.

    It's the NBA's problem if they take a bunch of kids who are not mature yet or whose games really aren't ready yet.

    Oh look, a groovy laissez faire jackass.

    Countless professions can and do erect their own barriers for participation of new members. And the prospective member has no "rights" other than to jump through the hoops defined by the industry he wishes to join, or abandon the dream altogether.

    School teachers, doctors, and lawyers all have to do this. Why not basketball players?

    numberonealcove

  • numberonealcove said...

    Oh look, a groovy laissez faire jackass.

    Countless professions can and do erect their own barriers for participation of new members. And the prospective member has no "rights" other than to jump through the hoops defined by the industry he wishes to join, or abandon the dream altogether.

    School teachers, doctors, and lawyers all have to do this. Why not basketball players?

    You down vote me and call me names?

    The NBA can have whatever restrictions they want to improve their league or require some entrance criteria. That is up to them. The kids can go to another league or whatever other option they have then.

    I would like many of these kids to stay in school, get an education and better the college game. We don't have the right to force basketball players to stay in college. Golfers/tennis players, musicians, nerds and others on scholly aren't force to stay in school. They get a chance to live their dreams when opportunity knocks and that is up to them.

    They have limited shelf life's in athletics and if they feel it's their time then it's their time.

    Spartan89

  • Spartan89 said...

    You down vote me and call me names?

    The NBA can have whatever restrictions they want to improve their league or require some entrance criteria. That is up to them. The kids can go to another league or whatever other option they have then.

    I would like many of these kids to stay in school, get an education and better the college game. We don't have the right to force basketball players to stay in college. Golfers/tennis players, musicians, nerds and others on scholly aren't force to stay in school. They get a chance to live their dreams when opportunity knocks and that is up to them.

    They have limited shelf life's in athletics and if they feel it's their time then it's their time.

    Players don't have to stay in college. They can currently go to the D League or play in Europe. They choose to go to the NCAA because it is currently the only option that produces results.

    Io Triumphe

  • Make an LOI a 3 year binding commitment and if you choose to be drafted right out of HS and decide on college you are there for 3 years. Then the team that drafts you has 30 days to exercise their right to sign you after the 3 years of college or you go back into the draftt pool.

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  • Why is everyone so angry at kids wanting to play in the NBA? Why shouldn't they get the chance? It's like people want to punish 18 year old kids if they make a mistake, how about helping these kids?

    Here's what I would do, players can enter the NBA draft after high school, if they don't get picked they can still go to school at the college of their choice right away. Why punish these kids for checking out the "job market" before they go to college. Now after that I don't think there is anything wrong with the NCAA saying accepting a scholarship is a 3 year commitment and you can't come out until after your 3rd year. This wouldn't punish kids for pursuing their dream right after high school and would help the college game. I mean the one and dones kind of suck, but would anyone really want to see Kentucky return their whole team next year? Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist already look like NBA players toying with little boys, next year would be boring. Both of those guys would have been drafted out of high school in the 1st round.

    A kid like Burke would be required to stay in college 3 years and it wouldn't be a stigma for players anymore that they stayed and scouts would be a little more patient with their evaluations of kids. Sullinger is a victim of the system, he stayed 1 year too long and his game is now being picked apart by NBA scouts, if it was a foregone conclusion that he was staying a 3rd year, he could work on his weaknesses before the scouts really even started to scrutinize him too much. Now he has no choice but to come out now, and he lost millions actually by staying that extra year. These kids have more at risk by staying too long than by leaving too early now. For every Marcus Taylor there is a Kalin Lucas, Durrell Summers, or even Jared Sullnger who hurt themselves by staying a year too long.

    Johnny2x2x ●

  • I agree w you on why are people angry at the kids for checking out the job market.

    But the three year requirement? Forget the nba and its requirements. If a kid is ready to pursue his profession or is in financial needs to leave college, no one has any business forcing them to stay.

    So should Tiger Woods have been forced to stay at Stanford even if he was ready to go on the pro tour? How about some of the tennis players that romp through the NCAA as freshmen then head out to get paid?

    No difference for Bball players. Restricting schollies and forcing them to play for you when they want to make money and support themselves?

    So will the schools also pay for future earnings lost if a guy gets injured during his college time because he wasn't allowed to turn pro?

    Spartan89

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