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Spring Synopsis: Defensive Line

  • http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Article/Spring-Synopsis-Defensive-Line-72693

    Spartan Tailgate continues our post-spring, position-by-position outlook of Michigan State football with a look at Will Gholston and the rest of MSU's defensive line.

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  • We need to recruit STUD DE's to step in for Big Will because he will leave for the draft

    CoolTarnue

  • CoolTarnue said...

    We need to recruit STUD DE's to step in for Big Will because he will leave for the draft

    See Heath, Joel and Calhoun, Shilique. They're going to be on the roster until 2015.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • CoolTarnue said...

    We need to recruit STUD DE's to step in for Big Will because he will leave for the draft

    I would say long-term outlook at DT is a much bigger concern at this point. Pittman would have been a good get at DE but like Rocky mentioned, there are quite a few young options there.

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  • Dan Kilbridge said...

    I would say long-term outlook at DT is a much bigger concern at this point. Pittman would have been a good get at DE but like Rocky mentioned, there are quite a few young options there.

    I think DT hinges on Reynolds. Crazy, but hear me out.

    This season I'm not overly concerned about DT. A pair of SRs and a RS soph is an ok rotation, and you figure 1 of the 4 2011 guys (Ramondo, Scarpinato, Clemons, Knox) could fit in as the 4th DT and play 15-20 snaps/game. That's an ok fit for guys that young.

    Problem arises in '13; the best DLs often have SRs and JRs as most of their rotation. In 2013, the rotation will have 1 RS JR (Kittredge) and 4 RS Sophs (the 2011 class), along with 1 RS FR (Fennell). Unless someone from 2011 emerges as a star in '13, I think MSU could be in trouble in terms of depth.

    Reynolds, however, would provide a bit of a buffer. If he stays at DT, then he and Kittredge form a SR - JR tandem at DT, with the back-ups being the RS Sophs. Kind of funny how 1 guy can make a difference, but I feel much better about counting on the '11 guys to give 30 snaps/game in '13, than I do about 1 of them emerging as a 60+ snap/game guy by their RS Soph years.

    The year after would have 1 RS SR and 4 RS JRs in the DT rotation, a scenario in which I'd consider DT to be a strength.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I think DT hinges on Reynolds. Crazy, but hear me out.

    This season I'm not overly concerned about DT. A pair of SRs and a RS soph is an ok rotation, and you figure 1 of the 4 2011 guys (Ramondo, Scarpinato, Clemons, Knox) could fit in as the 4th DT and play 15-20 snaps/game. That's an ok fit for guys that young.

    Problem arises in '13; the best DLs often have SRs and JRs as most of their rotation. In 2013, the rotation will have 1 RS JR (Kittredge) and 4 RS Sophs (the 2011 class), along with 1 RS FR (Fennell). Unless someone from 2011 emerges as a star in '13, I think MSU could be in trouble in terms of depth.

    Reynolds, however, would provide a bit of a buffer. If he stays at DT, then he and Kittredge form a SR - JR tandem at DT, with the back-ups being the RS Sophs. Kind of funny how 1 guy can make a difference, but I feel much better about counting on the '11 guys to give 30 snaps/game in '13, than I do about 1 of them emerging as a 60+ snap/game guy by their RS Soph years.

    The year after would have 1 RS SR and 4 RS JRs in the DT rotation, a scenario in which I'd consider DT to be a strength.

    Right on Rocky...

    Maybe (being very selective) taking another JUCO DT wouldn't be a bad idea.

    This post was edited by Pylon St8ofmind on 5/4/2012 at 11:30 AM

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    I think DT hinges on Reynolds. Crazy, but hear me out.

    This season I'm not overly concerned about DT. A pair of SRs and a RS soph is an ok rotation, and you figure 1 of the 4 2011 guys (Ramondo, Scarpinato, Clemons, Knox) could fit in as the 4th DT and play 15-20 snaps/game. That's an ok fit for guys that young.

    Problem arises in '13; the best DLs often have SRs and JRs as most of their rotation. In 2013, the rotation will have 1 RS JR (Kittredge) and 4 RS Sophs (the 2011 class), along with 1 RS FR (Fennell). Unless someone from 2011 emerges as a star in '13, I think MSU could be in trouble in terms of depth.

    Reynolds, however, would provide a bit of a buffer. If he stays at DT, then he and Kittredge form a SR - JR tandem at DT, with the back-ups being the RS Sophs. Kind of funny how 1 guy can make a difference, but I feel much better about counting on the '11 guys to give 30 snaps/game in '13, than I do about 1 of them emerging as a 60+ snap/game guy by their RS Soph years.

    The year after would have 1 RS SR and 4 RS JRs in the DT rotation, a scenario in which I'd consider DT to be a strength.

    Didn't hear much about Reynolds this spring but he has to benefit from staying in one spot for the time being. Becomes very important in 2013 and I think Kittredge will be a long-time contributor there as well. Hoover/Kittredge and White should do alright in short relief this season, but you're right that several guys need to emerge in the future.

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  • Another thing to consider is that we're bringing in a ton of Offensive Guards it seems like, and it's very likely one or two of those guys will be better suited or find a quicker path to the field at DT if need be.

    Kind of like Treadwell early in his career, where he was very effective.

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  • Pylon St8ofmind said...

    Another thing to consider is that we're bringing in a ton of Offensive Guards it seems like, and it's very likely one or two of those guys will be better suited or find a quicker path to the field at DT if need be.

    Kind of like Treadwell early in his career, where he was very effective.

    That's exactly what happened with Reynolds.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    I think DT hinges on Reynolds. Crazy, but hear me out.

    This season I'm not overly concerned about DT. A pair of SRs and a RS soph is an ok rotation, and you figure 1 of the 4 2011 guys (Ramondo, Scarpinato, Clemons, Knox) could fit in as the 4th DT and play 15-20 snaps/game. That's an ok fit for guys that young.

    Problem arises in '13; the best DLs often have SRs and JRs as most of their rotation. In 2013, the rotation will have 1 RS JR (Kittredge) and 4 RS Sophs (the 2011 class), along with 1 RS FR (Fennell). Unless someone from 2011 emerges as a star in '13, I think MSU could be in trouble in terms of depth.

    Reynolds, however, would provide a bit of a buffer. If he stays at DT, then he and Kittredge form a SR - JR tandem at DT, with the back-ups being the RS Sophs. Kind of funny how 1 guy can make a difference, but I feel much better about counting on the '11 guys to give 30 snaps/game in '13, than I do about 1 of them emerging as a 60+ snap/game guy by their RS Soph years.

    The year after would have 1 RS SR and 4 RS JRs in the DT rotation, a scenario in which I'd consider DT to be a strength.

    Hoover seems like a lock to get a 6th year of eligibility, so he may fill that other veteran spot, especially with another year to pack on weight.

    Watching the NFL draft made me a lot less concerned about Hoover at DT. I've never seen so many tall DTs drafted in the first few rounds, there were several guys that were 6'4" or 6'5", maybe even 6'6". I don't know if it was an aberration or a new trend, but there is some definite proof that tall DTs can get it done on this level, and that scouts think they'll be able to get it done in the league. Hoover isn't as heavy as those guys, but it still shows that a tall guy can play there and be successful.

    This is probably all moot anyway, aren't we switching to the 3-4 after this year? cool

    MSUcnturyclub19

  • CoolTarnue said...

    We need to recruit STUD DE's to step in for Big Will because he will leave for the draft

    Man, who was Marcus Rush before last season? If anyone had heard of him, they figured he was an undersized developmental recruit. That's what makes this staff so great, even if we don't have an obvious answer in the pipeline, they're so good at scouting and developing talent that someone always seems to step up.

    That said, it seems like Shilique Calhoun is the heir apparent as far as terrorizing QBs goes. It definitely sucked losing Se'Von though, it would be nice to have him waiting in the wings.

    MSUcnturyclub19

  • MSUcnturyclub19 said...

    This is probably all moot anyway, aren't we switching to the 3-4 after this year? cool

    This greatly increases the chances of me putting you in a headlock the next time I see you . . .

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    This greatly increases the chances of me putting you in a headlock the next time I see you . . .

    If you're not too busy trying to blow our chances with Benonoch. moon

    MSUcnturyclub19

  • MSUcnturyclub19 said...

    If you're not too busy trying to blow our chances with Benonoch. moon

    ??

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    ??

    Referring to the Benonoch thread where (I think it was) you said the name of another OL we might go after if he decommitted, and then like 5 minutes later he tweeted about Spartan fans already choosing his replacement. I might be misremembering I guess.

    MSUcnturyclub19

  • MSUcnturyclub19 said...

    Referring to the Benonoch thread where (I think it was) you said the name of another OL we might go after if he decommitted, and then like 5 minutes later he tweeted about Spartan fans already choosing his replacement. I might be misremembering I guess.

    Uhh, what?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Uhh, what?

    Maybe you never saw it, just looked back and the thread was closed so it's no longer there. Nevermind.

    MSUcnturyclub19

  • I wouldn't want to be an opposing offense against us in passing situations. I wonder who will play the middle of the 3-3-5 package? I could see White, Hoover, Gholston, and Heath playing it.

    Stones1981

  • Stones1981 said...

    I wouldn't want to be an opposing offense against us in passing situations. I wonder who will play the middle of the 3-3-5 package? I could see White, Hoover, Gholston, and Heath playing it.

    Bring back SirDarean as bandit coach.

    MSUcnturyclub19

  • Stones1981 said...

    I wouldn't want to be an opposing offense against us in passing situations. I wonder who will play the middle of the 3-3-5 package? I could see White, Hoover, Gholston, and Heath playing it.

    Hoover did it last year; they try for a faster 3-man front than what you'd see in a 3-4.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky