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Tax/income questions for you lawyers

  • Ok, started the new firm with two other lawyers. Each are equal partners. We get paid based on a percentage of what we bring in.

    My question is, what is the best way to pay ourselves?? I've been getting shitty (I mean great) advice from a bunch of different attorneys, and they all do this different. I've been put in charge of getting this set up, and quite frankly, I have no flipping clue what I'm doing.

    I'd like to get paychecks/payroll company set up and just get paid every few weeks from what has been brought in, with taxes taken out so I don't have to deal with things like quarterly or a lump sum at the end of the year. Is that possible, or a terrible idea??

    What do you big ballers do??

    VanWilder

  • Fuck them over, take it all, and don't pay taxes - you'll be alright, you know a lawyer

    TomIzzoCanDunk

  • It will be hard to do biweekly based on what you are bringing in. I would say set it up so that each is getting some kind of basic salary that you get paid every two weeks (an amount that is not ultra low, but low enough to be sure that it will be within your draw range - barring super low billables). Then also do a quarterly, biannual, or annual draw above and beyond the salary from the remainder based on percentages.

    Klevin Torborg

  • To pay yourself regularly through a payroll company, you obviously need to count on a steady stream of income. If you just started your firm, you may not yet be at that point. Also, if you're paying the partners on the basis of what each brought in, will that change your pay each paycheck? If so, you may want to just pay each partner at the end of each month after the bills are paid and you calculate who-did-what.

    We have different pay rates and bonus caluculations for our partners that reflect the amount of business that each partner brings to the firm. This way we have regular paychecks through payroll and we divide the bonus money whenever it is available.

    16ozIPA

  • Klevin Torborg said...

    It will be hard to do biweekly based on what you are bringing in. I would say set it up so that each is getting some kind of basic salary that you get paid every two weeks (an amount that is not ultra low, but low enough to be sure that it will be within your draw range - barring super low billables). Then also do a quarterly, biannual, or annual draw above and beyond the salary from the remainder based on percentages.

    I agree. The goal is to give yourself a regular paycheck off which you can survive and still keep the firm functioning. We calculated our basic salaries added to our monthly bills to get the "nut" we need to keep the doors open. Hopefully, over time, there is leftover money from which you can pull bonuses. That's where the real fun begins among your partners: figuring out the percentage draw for each argue

    16ozIPA

  • If you're an LLC, the owners should be getting compensated via guaranteed payments - not a salary.

    Johnny Alpamayo

  • 16ozIPA said...

    I agree. The goal is to give yourself a regular paycheck off which you can survive and still keep the firm functioning. We calculated our basic salaries added to our monthly bills to get the "nut" we need to keep the doors open. Hopefully, over time, there is leftover money from which you can pull bonuses. That's where the real fun begins among your partners: figuring out the percentage draw for each argue

    Well, we had been just taking out what each of us was "owed", but I wanted more of a regular pay structure. I can probably do this, as the checks are starting to come in with some regularity. My concern/question, is what is best for tax issues or implications by the end of the year?

    VanWilder

  • I like how the OP asks tRCMB for advice on this subject. Wow. confused

    The_Dude

  • If you don't have an accountant, get one. He/She can explain payroll taxes better than anyone on this board.

    OP: Hey guys. I just got advice from the RCMB on how and when we should deposit payroll taxes!

    Partners: That's great! One less thing to worry about! Who needs a bookkeeping department or an accountant!!!

    Philly Spartan

  • The_Dude said...

    I like how the OP asks tRCMB for advice on this subject. Wow. confused

    It's because there are at least a dozen attorneys here who are in the same situation. Just curious how they do this, and wondered what has worked for them. shrug

    VanWilder

  • I do a monthly draw at the end of the month. When I had others working, we did the same, with a quarterly bonus.

    shioda

  • VanWilder said...

    It's because there are at least a dozen attorneys here who are in the same situation. Just curious how they do this, and wondered what has worked for them.

    you're missing the point. if you're a LLC or partnership, you can't take a salary and do taxes thru withholding per the IRS. this is more complicated than you think and depends on how you were organized and what your operating agreement says.

    Sparty316

  • TomIzzoCanDunk said...

    Fuck them over, take it all, and don't pay taxes - you'll be alright, you know a lawyer

    The worst thing that happens is you get caught, go to federal prison, and get conjugal visits.

    attachment

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    tGreenWay

  • Sparty316 said...

    you're missing the point. if you're a LLC or partnership, you can't take a salary and do taxes thru withholding per the IRS. this is more complicated than you think and depends on how you were organized and what your operating agreement says.

    Huh? Wouldn't declaring a dividend for an LLC or paying a salary as a PC be doing the same thing? Where are the CPAs today?

    16ozIPA

  • Make sure you give your self bonus $$$ before April 15th, June 15th, Sept 15th and Jan 15th of the following year to pay 1040ES Federal taxes.

    EdMartinsLoan

  • 16ozIPA said...

    Where are the CPAs today?

    wave

    I already responded. He needs to say how his business is organized.

    Johnny Alpamayo

  • first of all, congratulations. you are going to do great on your own. i can tell by your personality. you gay guys are good at paying attention to details.

    secondly, are you an llc? i'm not a tax attorney, but your structure may give more insight into what is the best way to pay yourselves.

    thirdly, do you and your bros have an agreement on covering the overhead? also, have you considered referral compensation? one of you may be bringing in all the cheddar and providing the others a lot of off fall.

    AMwood

  • You hired a hot secretary right?

    Brodson

  • A.M. wood said...

    first of all, congratulations. you are going to do great on your own. i can tell by your personality. you gay guys are good at paying attention to details.

    secondly, are you an llc? i'm not a tax attorney, but your structure may give more insight into what is the best way to pay yourselves.

    thirdly, do you and your bros have an agreement on covering the overhead? also, have you considered referral compensation? one of you may be bringing in all the cheddar and providing the others a lot of off fall.

    Thanks Wood. Our structure currently is an PLLC, but I think we are taxed as an S corp?? Does that make any sense at all? Like I said, I have no idea. Meeting with an accountant next week. Just was hoping to get some insight from all the wisdom on this board.

    And, hell yes, we hired a hot secreatary. I have to have something to do on the slow days.

    VanWilder