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Texas A&M interested in Narduzzi? (Update - Feeling not mutual)

  • MSU, for all its success on the hardcourt, is still a football first school. That said, I don't believe having a strong basketball school is any sort of deterrent to being a good football school. In fact I think it is an advantage. Having two strong revenue generating sports is a tremendous advantage and helps a ton at the budgeting level. Izzo is also very invested in football's success. To me the strength of our combined programs is a tremendous asset.

    007Spartan

  • Rocket_Play said...

    W/o Recourse, and I mean this in the friendliest way possible.. I've seen Texas A&M referred to in a number of ways. TAMU. A&M. But sometimes, aTm. ATM has taken on a new meaning in the modern world, do people ever give you guys crap about that?

    I'll take your prefatory statement as sincere...

    I don't catch any flack for having "A&M" associated with the "Texas" in our school's name. I do have some beliefs about the use of "A&M" and how it may be disadvantageous from a marketing perspective. Some of the schools that carried the "A&M" at the end of their respective names have since dropped it for "state." For example, Oklahoma State used to be Oklahoma A&M. Thus, outside of A&M, you don't see any legitimate, major institutions carrying the suffix. I definitely see how those outside of Texas, or just a casual observer of academia and athletics, could easily associate us with the Alabama A&M's, Florida A&M's, etc. (which is bad).

    A&M stands for Agricultural and Mechanical, which expresses the purpose for which schools like A&M were initially founded. They were also schools that were classified as the exclusive land grant institutions of their states, receiving both federal and state funds for agricultural teaching and research (they're now referred to as the "state" schools as mentioned above but no longer are the exclusive land grant schools of their states). Now, since our national economy has obviously moved away from being dependent on agrarian industry, the need for having exclusive Agricultural and Mechanical universities is obsolete. Which, as said above, has made the previous "A&M" schools drop the suffix and replace it with "state" so as to symbolize a more comprehensive institution.

    Texas A&M has a particular proclivity for tradition and that is probably why we never became "Texas State" despite now being a comprehensive, world-respected university. But, as I said above, I'm not sure that those two letters don't hurt us from a perceptional stand point nationally (even though you'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe Texas A&M shares a similar position with an Alabama A&M). Nevertheless, perception is reality, at least when dealing with the ignorant mass. I'd imagine that because "A&M" sounds different, it's easier to merge that with all of the other patent, yet really insignificant, quirks (i.e. the corp of cadets today) about our school that allow silly rumors to perpetuate -- some of which you've seen in this thread -- which may hold us back from an image standpoint (even though a little research would quickly dispel most misconceptions about us).

    Hope that helps. I'm quite sure that's more than you asked for...And yes, I'm bored and have absolutely nothing better to do that write worthless crap like this.

    WithoutRecourse

  • 007Spartan said...

    MSU, for all its success on the hardcourt, is still a football first school. That said, I don't believe having a strong basketball school is any sort of deterrent to being a good football school. In fact I think it is an advantage. Having two strong revenue generating sports is a tremendous advantage and helps a ton at the budgeting level. Izzo is also very invested in football's success. To me the strength of our combined programs is a tremendous asset.

    Agreed...What you guys are currently doing in the revenue sports is rare and remarkable. Texas is probably the only other school in recent memory that's performed at a level close to what you guys are currently doing. It's a hard thing to pull off.

    WithoutRecourse

  • WithoutRecourse said...

    I'll take your prefatory statement as sincere...

    I don't catch any flack for having "A&M" associated with the "Texas" in our school's name. I do have some beliefs about the use of "A&M" and how it may be disadvantageous from a marketing perspective. Some of the schools that carried the "A&M" at the end of their respective names have since dropped it for "state." For example, Oklahoma State used to be Oklahoma A&M. Thus, outside of A&M, you don't see any legitimate, major institutions carrying the suffix. I definitely see how those outside of Texas, or just a casual observer of academia and athletics, could easily associate us with the Alabama A&M's, Florida A&M's, etc. (which is bad).

    A&M stands for Agricultural and Mechanical, which expresses the purpose for which schools like A&M were initially founded. They were also schools that were classified as the exclusive land grant institutions of their states, receiving both federal and state funds for agricultural teaching and research (they're now referred to as the "state" schools as mentioned above but no longer are the exclusive land grant schools of their states). Now, since our national economy has obviously moved away from being dependent on agrarian industry, the need for having exclusive Agricultural and Mechanical universities is obsolete. Which, as said above, has made the previous "A&M" schools drop the suffix and replace it with "state" so as to symbolize a more comprehensive institution.

    Texas A&M has a particular proclivity for tradition and that is probably why we never became "Texas State" despite now being a comprehensive, world-respected university. But, as I said above, I'm not sure that those two letters don't hurt us from a perceptional stand point nationally (even though you'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe Texas A&M shares a similar position with an Alabama A&M). Nevertheless, perception is reality, at least when dealing with the ignorant mass. I'd imagine that because "A&M" sounds different, it's easier to merge that with all of the other patent, yet really insignificant, quirks (i.e. the corp of cadets today) about our school that allow silly rumors to perpetuate -- some of which you've seen in this thread -- which may hold us back from an image standpoint (even though a little research would quickly dispel most misconceptions about us).

    Hope that helps. I'm quite sure that's more than you asked for...And yes, I'm bored and have absolutely nothing better to do that write worthless crap like this.

    I was talking aTm, as in Ass To Mouth. The fact that it didn't register probably answers my question. Not trying to insult you, I was just curious.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    I was talking aTm, as in Ass To Mouth. The fact that it didn't register probably answers my question. Not trying to insult you, I was just curious.

    LOL...well, you've got one successful troll under your belt for today, even if that wasn't you intention..banghead

    In my defense, aTm is what I most commonly refer to us as when posting on message boards...lol

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by WithoutRecourse on 1/3/2012 at 6:54 PM

    WithoutRecourse

  • 85AustinAg said...

    Wow and to think we had a kindred spirit with MSU folks. Some of you guys perception of Texas A&M is so far off base it's lunacy. I take it Michigan and ND are your big rivals and they likely don't have much good to say about you guys. Our big rivalry is obviously the University of Texas. The comments on here about A&M by supposed MSU folks sound more like comments coming from the Rivalry board of a University of Texas site...

    Oh well, still looks like there are enough good MSU folks on here that for the most part I'll have to believe that you are good people and I'll continue to pull for Sparty. For the rest of you I'd suggest learning a bit about what you speak before spouting off in maniacal fashion.

    Better still come to a game at Kyle Field and tailgate with us. We know how to party...

    PLEASE continue to pull for MSU!!! I don't know what we'd do without your support panic

    spartans17

  • WithoutRecourse said...

    LOL...well, you've got one successful troll under your belt for today, even if that wasn't you intention..banghead

    In my defense, aTm is what I most commonly refer to us as when posting on message boards...lol

    No worries. As to the original topic: I think it depends on the Nard Dog's ambition.
    If he wants to be a HC, stay at MSU for another year or two max.
    If he wants to stay with Coach D, stay.
    If he wants to make money and have a serious, serious challenge in the SEC, go to aTm.

    My totally biased and uneducated opinion is he wants a serious head coaching gig. That means staying for a couple of years and waiting for a Purdue / Minnesota type job opening. I think a move to aTm would make him a coordinator for at least the next 5-6 years, or a MAC type head coach (which he's already said he's not interested in)

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    Rocket_Play ●

  • 85AustinAg said...

    Wow and to think we had a kindred spirit with MSU folks. Some of you guys perception of Texas A&M is so far off base it's lunacy. I take it Michigan and ND are your big rivals and they likely don't have much good to say about you guys. Our big rivalry is obviously the University of Texas. The comments on here about A&M by supposed MSU folks sound more like comments coming from the Rivalry board of a University of Texas site...

    Oh well, still looks like there are enough good MSU folks on here that for the most part I'll have to believe that you are good people and I'll continue to pull for Sparty. For the rest of you I'd suggest learning a bit about what you speak before spouting off in maniacal fashion.

    Better still come to a game at Kyle Field and tailgate with us. We know how to party...

    Pssst Calling us "Sparty" isn't a nice way to gain favor here. Sparty is our mascot. We are Spartans.

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    Rocket_Play ●

  • Rocket_Play said...

    No worries. As to the original topic: I think it depends on the Nard Dog's ambition. If he wants to be a HC, stay at MSU for another year or two max. If he wants to stay with Coach D, stay. If he wants to make money and have a serious, serious challenge in the SEC, go to aTm.

    My totally biased and uneducated opinion is he wants a serious head coaching gig. That means staying for a couple of years and waiting for a Purdue / Minnesota type job opening. I think a move to aTm would make him a coordinator for at least the next 5-6 years, or a MAC type head coach (which he's already said he's not interested in)

    I tend to agree. A&M is in a bad way right now regarding DL depth, which will stymie any immediate success even a great DC could have in College Station. We were two mid-term JUCO's away from having a totally different outlook regarding what we can field on that side of the ball next year. Had we been able to land them, I'd probably hold the position that he could come in and in two years be a serious candidate for the type of job you mentioned.

    Unfortunately, I think it will take about three years for us to really get going on the defensive side of the ball (barring being able to land a couple of stud JUCO DL's in 2013 who can make an immediate impact) which means that Narduzzi's path to a big HC gig is probably faster by staying put.

    WithoutRecourse

  • Spartans, instead of Sparty, got it. My MO is that if I see guys that have an invalid view of stuff important to me I try and explain. Neither u nor I are gonna lose any sleep over my rooting for the Spartans.

    Here's a link to a good article explaining the quality of the education at Texas A&M.

    Texas A&M Moves Up In Kiplinger’s ‘Best Values’ Public College National Rankings | TAMUtimes

    Texas AM University continues to move up in Kiplinger’s annual listing of “best values” among the nation’s top 100 public colleges, now ranking 21st — and tops in Texas.

    tamutimes.tamu.edu

    85AustinAg

  • 85AustinAg said...

    Spartans, instead of Sparty, got it. My MO is that if I see guys that have an invalid view of stuff important to me I try and explain. Neither u nor I are gonna lose any sleep over my rooting for the Spartans.

    Here's a link to a good article explaining the quality of the education at Texas A&M.

    They really don't care, bro...And the unsolicited academic stuff makes us look petty and insecure...It's all good.

    WithoutRecourse

  • Was reportedly in College Station visiting yesterday with Head Coach.

    85AustinAg

  • WithoutRecourse said...

    They really don't care, bro...And the unsolicited academic stuff makes us look petty and insecure...It's all good.

    Actually, FWIW, a lot of Spartans (Definitely not all) do care, and take being called "Sparty" by people as a slight. The previous poster wasn't being sarcastic. nerd

    Just1Spartan

  • It would be a real shame if he leaves because of a pay raise.

    presto34

  • 85AustinAg said...

    Was reportedly in College Station visiting yesterday with Head Coach.

    I heard that, too...also heard that he wasn't too impressed with the facilities.

    tVargMan Prime

  • 85AustinAg said...

    Was reportedly in College Station visiting yesterday with Head Coach.

    Would love confirmation on that, otherwise it's pretty doubtful. Lateral move, doesn't make sense. He will next take a HC job

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    BrodieMSU

  • aTm IS the Land-grant University in Texas. They should at least get props for that.

    Nίκη για MSU

    Bender ●

  • WithoutRecourse said...

    I'll take your prefatory statement as sincere...

    I don't catch any flack for having "A&M" associated with the "Texas" in our school's name. I do have some beliefs about the use of "A&M" and how it may be disadvantageous from a marketing perspective. Some of the schools that carried the "A&M" at the end of their respective names have since dropped it for "state." For example, Oklahoma State used to be Oklahoma A&M. Thus, outside of A&M, you don't see any legitimate, major institutions carrying the suffix. I definitely see how those outside of Texas, or just a casual observer of academia and athletics, could easily associate us with the Alabama A&M's, Florida A&M's, etc. (which is bad).

    A&M stands for Agricultural and Mechanical, which expresses the purpose for which schools like A&M were initially founded. They were also schools that were classified as the exclusive land grant institutions of their states, receiving both federal and state funds for agricultural teaching and research (they're now referred to as the "state" schools as mentioned above but no longer are the exclusive land grant schools of their states). Now, since our national economy has obviously moved away from being dependent on agrarian industry, the need for having exclusive Agricultural and Mechanical universities is obsolete. Which, as said above, has made the previous "A&M" schools drop the suffix and replace it with "state" so as to symbolize a more comprehensive institution.

    Texas A&M has a particular proclivity for tradition and that is probably why we never became "Texas State" despite now being a comprehensive, world-respected university. But, as I said above, I'm not sure that those two letters don't hurt us from a perceptional stand point nationally (even though you'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe Texas A&M shares a similar position with an Alabama A&M). Nevertheless, perception is reality, at least when dealing with the ignorant mass. I'd imagine that because "A&M" sounds different, it's easier to merge that with all of the other patent, yet really insignificant, quirks (i.e. the corp of cadets today) about our school that allow silly rumors to perpetuate -- some of which you've seen in this thread -- which may hold us back from an image standpoint (even though a little research would quickly dispel most misconceptions about us).

    Hope that helps. I'm quite sure that's more than you asked for...And yes, I'm bored and have absolutely nothing better to do that write worthless crap like this.

    Plus there already is a Texas State University.

    Texas State is going FBS next season as a member of the WAC.

    Home : Texas State University

    http://www.txstate.edu/

    www.txstate.edu
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  • 85AustinAg said...

    Was reportedly in College Station visiting yesterday with Head Coach.

    Where is that coming from?

    Nίκη για MSU

    Bender ●

  • BrodieMSU said...

    Would love confirmation on that, otherwise it's pretty doubtful. Lateral move, doesn't make sense. He will next take a HC job

    A pay raise above 500 grand is not a lateral move or is it.

    SpartanHoops

  • presto34 said...

    It would be a real shame if he leaves because of a pay raise.

    Would serve us right, if we don't pony up.

    BostonUSpartan

  • BostonUSpartan said...

    Would serve us right, if we don't pony up.

    We're NOT the SEC, We don't have that kind of $. Hope he doesn't get turned to the dark side. lol

    Nίκη για MSU

    Bender ●

  • presto34 said...

    It would be a real shame if he leaves because of a pay raise.

    I believe that his career will benefit from staying at MSU, but who is to say that he would not want a chance to coordinate at a major university with tradition in the most crazed football state in the country in the best conference. Can't fault a guy for looking into the opportunity, and if they double his current salary then I believe the shame is on MSU for not opening up to keep a great coach. I hope the shame you are referring to is not on Duzzi?

    CarlsonSPARTY

  • BrodieMSU said...

    Would love confirmation on that, otherwise it's pretty doubtful. Lateral move, doesn't make sense. He will next take a HC job

    Just doing the interview and getting a look around at another school's facilities and picking another coach's brain is great experience. It will help him when he wants to take a job as HC. It's also a good way to expand your network of contacts.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    tGreenWay

  • Sumlin's A&M contract is pegged at $10M/5 yr which is amoung the lowest in the $EC. Maybe they won't/can't pay top $EC OC/DC salaries due to the political dust up caused by bolting from the Big12. That puts Sumlin towards the lower half of SEC coaches

    Aabama Saban $4.8M/yr
    Arkansas Petrino $3.6M/yr
    Auburn Chizik $3.5M/yr
    Florida Muschamp $3.5M/yr
    Georgia Richt $2.8M/yr
    LSU Miles $3.75M/yr
    SC Spurrier $2.8M/yr

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