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False.

Awesome, another one.

Based on the original post, why is Michigan not needed anymore then? MSU, Wisc, Iowa, Penn State and Nebraska have been nowhere near a national title scince 97 or 06, two years Michigan either won or almost won the title.

The B1G needs another team to consistently be good. It does not need Michigan to be that team. Michigan fans need Michigan to be decent, but the conference surely doesn't. The only people who say that are delusional and arrogant.

This I agree with.

The Big XII NEEDS Texas to be good. The B1G doesn't NEED Michigan to be good when they have Ohio State, Nebraska and Penn State. Michigan being in the title hunt is a great thing for the conference, but the same could be said about any school.

This...mostly. The Big Ten needs a national championship. It doesn't matter who wins it. I hope MSU brings it home, but I wouldn't mind anyone from the Big Ten getting one, with the exception of Wisky and UM.

This is correct. Only Michigan thinks the Big Ten relies on a great Michigan team. It wasn't long ago that Michigan people were screaming that Big Ten basketball needed a strong Michigan team to thrive.

You don't even have to look at the last 3 years. Over the last 15, Wisconsin and Penn State have consistently been greater powers than Michigan.

The 85 schollie limits took a way a major tool in keeping the "Big 2, Little 8" intact, as well as increased TV exposure by cable networks so other programs could get exposure. Without the ability to stockpile talent (that didnt even play) and keep it away from other BT programs, the playing field was evened out. Only tO$U seems to have bucked that trend by virtue of lots of home grown talent in Ohio supplemented by sunbelt skill players.(Free cars and tats dont hurt either).

There's more than enough star power in the league. Even when Michigan was "good" they weren't exactly helping the perception of the conference by losing bowl games (2-6 in last 8). All that did was feed into the "Big Ten is overrated" crap.

Michigan has been an embarrassment to the B1G on the national stage recently, with the except of most of '06. Need I remind you of App State. Oregon. Both at the Big House on national TV in 2007. Those losses to USC in the Rose Bowl in which the Wolverines were never close ('04, '07) or the horrible choke against Texas ('05). Sure we got waxed by Bama last year, but who thinks Auburn wouldn't have gotten beat by them playing like that? Come back when Michigan has something relevant to contribute to the conversation of B1G football in the last 3 years.

Fuck Michigan.

More importantly, I think the league needs IU and Minny to play good football. Wisky use to terrible. Why can't IU and Minny improve?

Good point. Growing up in a non-Big 10 family, I knew Michigan, tOSU, and MSU only because I lived in the state. I couldn't have named the other 7 if you spotted me the states of Indiana and Illinois.

When people think SEC, you've got Florida, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, and Georgia all with National Championships in my "adult lifetime" - and that's just off the top of my head - maybe I'm missing someone?