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Death Roe said...
I think part of it was making the citizens of Gotham suffer for a while before the bomb went off. Kind of like taunting them, giving them false hope that one of the actual citizens HAS the detonator.
Ra's' original plan, mind you, was the fear toxin over-time rotting Gotham entirely, making the citizens tear each other apart. They obviously can't get the fear toxin anymore, so this was the next method.
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fhionnlaigh said...
The device was originally designed as a reactor. The way I was picturing it is that the core has some sort of control mechanism, similar to the control rods used in reactor cores in nuclear power plants. It's possible that the conversion to weapon may have involved altering a failsafe trigger of sorts to, instead of fully inserting control rods into the core and slowing a neutron cascade below self-sustaining levels or even to a stop, remove the rods completely. A design like that would effectively allow instantaneous neutron cascades within the core (assuming that this technology is based on a nuclear concept, which I don't recall), and an uncontrolled neutron cascade == meltdown, destabilization, and basically going nuclear.
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fhionnlaigh said...
The device was originally designed as a reactor. The way I was picturing it is that the core has some sort of control mechanism, similar to the control rods used in reactor cores in nuclear power plants. It's possible that the conversion to weapon may have involved altering a failsafe trigger of sorts to, instead of fully inserting control rods into the core and slowing a neutron cascade below self-sustaining levels or even to a stop, remove the rods completely. A design like that would effectively allow instantaneous neutron cascades within the core (assuming that this technology is based on a nuclear concept, which I don't recall), and an uncontrolled neutron cascade == meltdown, destabilization, and basically going nuclear.
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sprtnjdk said...
I think we're both wrong or don't know enough because it's fusion and I know much, much less about fusion reactors than fission reactors. I'm not sure they use control rods like I said, it doesn't rely on neutrons at all to control the rates. Supposedly it relies on confinement of the super-heated plasma to control the rate of fusion, and I honestly can say I don't know much about that process. Perhaps you do! Even if I, or you, did, it's probably semantics anyway!
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fhionnlaigh said...
You're right, I had forgotten that detail from the movie (went to the midnight show and I will admit with no shame that it was well past my bedtime!). You and I are in the same boat; I know a lot less about fusion reactors than fission reactors. I'll have to look up some more info on that, but either fusion is self-controlling once started (like stellar fusion) until some sort of transition is reached, or there has to be some sort of controlling mechanism, be it a control rod or something else (not sure). What I mean by "transition" is that the material being fused is exhausted, and if conditions allow, a heavier material will be fused (and this is harder to do). If conditions don't allow, fusion eventually shuts down. With very large stars, you get destabilization and runaway contraction of the star until it goes nova/supernova. Without whatever sort of controls a reactor would need to maintain long-term fusion, it could be weaponized. Assuming it's trying to replicate stellar fusion conditions found in a very large star on a tiny scale, it does make sense that the core would be fine for some finite period of time before that "transition" occurs and blows the whole things apart.
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I think we're both wrong or don't know enough because it's fusion and I know much, much less about fusion reactors than fission reactors. I'm not sure they use control rods like I said, it doesn't rely on neutrons at all to control the rates. Supposedly it relies on confinement of the super-heated plasma to control the rate of fusion, and I honestly can say I don't know much about that process. Perhaps you do! Even if I, or you, did, it's probably semantics anyway!
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Francis Whitman said...
Great point that I never really thought of. With all that chaos going on, there would have been great opportunities for the Joker character. Would have taken a really long movie, though, to wrap everything up.
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InTenSity said...
Joker could have been one of the men freed from the Prison, then you can have Robin start to mess with him in a game of cat and mouse instead of so much focus on which of the 3 moving trucks had the fusion device. I'm not sure, but I could just imagine the Joker running through that city, maybe even fighting some with Bane.
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InTenSity said...
Joker could have been one of the men freed from the Prison, then you can have Robin start to mess with him in a game of cat and mouse instead of so much focus on which of the 3 moving trucks had the fusion device. I'm not sure, but I could just imagine the Joker running through that city, maybe even fighting some with Bane.
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rookmsu said...
Sounds like you've read Knightfall. No Man's Land is great. Legacy is essentially a rematch with Bane and Ra's Al Ghul. Those are some of the better collected graphic novels. The Vengeance of Bane one-shot, if you can find it, is awesome too. Killing Joke is the ultimate Joker story. The Long Halloween and Year one largely inspired Batman Begins.
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