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The Dream Team or the 2012 USA squad?

  • Omar Comin' said...

    A) I've clearly stated that in either situation -- whether it's the actual roster we're sending to the Olympics or the best-case 2012 roster without injuries -- the Dream Team is still better. It's just not by the gigantic margin that some suggest.

    B) Shocking that someone who played on the '92 team would insist that the '92 team was better, smarter, and more competitive. That's an unbiased opinion if I've ever seen one!

    I'm just saying that you more than anyone point out how intelligence and drive seem to be unimportant when it comes to being the best player/team.

    And wasn't Kobe's original statement pretty biased in itself?

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • Cosmo_Kramer said...

    I'm just saying that you more than anyone point out how intelligence and drive seem to be unimportant when it comes to being the best player/team.

    And wasn't Kobe's original statement pretty biased in itself?

    I never said Kobe was right. In fact, I've said that the original Dream Team is better, even if the injuries to three of the best six players in the current USA pool are erased. It was just Kobe's comments that really got the discussion going.

    I also never said mental toughness is unimportant. I said the perceived advantage that the '92 team has in that area is completely overblown (just like everything else). The nostalgia for '80s and early '90s basketball clouds everyone's judgment. It's ridiculous when someone says (with complete sincerity) that the best players of the current era wouldn't be mentally tough enough to compete in previous eras.

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  • I'm guessing Kobe made the statement to manufacture interest in the 2012 team.

    I don't get all the nostalgia for the original bunch. It's the best team ever assembled but they were playing against horrid competition. It was pretty lame. Great idea by Stern to grow the NBA internationally though.

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    GhettoHeisman

  • I suppose the conversation is moving away from match-ups to the even less subjective realm of psychology. I will just toss out two things.

    First, in terms of match-ups, I heard about speed and athleticism in 2004. The result was a bronze medal. It was true that the 2004 team was loaded with speed and athleticism with a roster that included Iverson, Wade, James, Anthony, Marbury, Marion, Stoudemire.

    Second, there might be something about drive and determination. In 1992, the Dream Team prioritized the concept of Team USA and played like they had something to prove every game. A lot of posters want to talk like Wade is on the team. Fine, put him on the team. Considering he was recently complaining about how members of the team should be compensated, it hardly seems like winning gold for Team USA is his primary concern. He seems like he would want to make the Olympic experience about his own reward rather than making a gold medal for Team USA his number one priority. If that is indicative of today's players, they seem susceptible to coasting. That attitude - that we can coast and do not have to play hard because we are so talented- is what sabotaged the 2004 team.

    This post was edited by Turtleneck on 7/13/2012 at 10:45 AM

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  • Omar Comin' said...

    The nostalgia for '80s and early '90s basketball clouds everyone's judgment. It's ridiculous when someone says (with complete sincerity) that the best players of the current era wouldn't be mentally tough enough to compete in previous eras.

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  • -PPTPW- said...

    What do you mean he's "backing off his statement?"

    The original question was if this team could beat the Dream Team and he interpreted it as meaning could they beat them in one game.

    "Hell yeah," he said.

    I agree with him.

    We get all nostalgic about teams we grew up watching as kids and disrespect current teams because we have personally tied it to our childhood. Any affront to something revered in our childhood is deemed an affront to us. That's just not right.

    The Dream Team is phenomenal but you're kidding yourself if you think this current team couldn't beat them. Their athleticism and speed is something the world has never seen.

    I don't see it as any kind of affront that people disagree on this, but I think it's the opposite: Sports media gets in a hurry to call somebody or something the greatest, as though game only counted if ESPN was around to comment endlessly on it. I see the '92 team as a better basketball team. I don't think that Magic, Bird, Barkley, Ewing were the world's greatest athletes, but they weren't running track. I also think that a 1960s team with Russell, West, Chamberlain, Robinson, etc. could have been the greatest, and they were nowhere near as fast as these guys.

    faygo

  • -PPTPW- said...

    The Dream Team is phenomenal but you're kidding yourself if you think this current team couldn't beat them. Their athleticism and speed is something the world has never seen.

    I think most people would agree with you. 2012 has better athletes. 92 had better basketball players.

    I was only 8 during the 92 olymipics, but I think the original dream team runs away with this one. Too many advantages in the front court.

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  • Accuscore projection said that the dream team would win about 53% of the time with an average margin of 1 point.

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    dylan2011

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    Kobe says this edition could probably take the Dream Team. Jordan laughs at the suggestion.

    I leave it to the experts: bloggers of tRCMB.

    I got the OG Dream Team.

    Dream Team roster: PF Laettner, Christian C Robinson, David C Ewing, Patrick SF Bird, Larry SF Pippen, Scottie SG Jordan, Michael SG Drexler, Clyde PF Malone, Karl PG Stockton, John SF Mullin, Chris PF Barkley, Charles PG Johnson, Magic

    2012 edition: F Carmelo Anthony G Kobe Bryant C Tyson Chandler G Kevin Durant F Blake Griffin G James Harden G/F Andre Iguodala F LeBron James F Kevin Love G Chris Paul G Russell Westbrook G Deron Williams

    I don't this would even be a question (not that it should be) if the 92 team took Shaq instead of Laettner.

    olmy

  • After watching a couple games, I am now thinking that if the team were put together slightly differently, they would be much closer to the Dream Team. My problems:

    1) The only player that is really good at creating shots for others is Chris Paul. Westbrook is a tremendous athlete but he doesn't get others involved as much. Williams likes to dribble...a lot. Both can be a little out of control at times.

    2) You essentially have a bunch of guys who play the same style at similar positions. Iguodola, Harden, Kobe, Carmelo, Durant, and Westbrook. Couple this with....

    3) They aren't physical enough on the roster. So you make a roster with a ton of guards and wings, then, you get a PF who is a step out type guy (Love) on offense. Chandler is really the only banger on the team (although, LeBron can put on different hats, but I don't really want him banging the entire game).

    Personally, if they switched out Rondo for Williams and then took off James Harden and added another physical big, I think they would be a lot better.

    A side note, does anyone else think that Anthony Davis has looked really good? He just seems like he understands the game very well for a 19 year old.

    El Doctor B

  • El Doctor B said...

    After watching a couple games, I am now thinking that if the team were put together slightly differently, they would be much closer to the Dream Team. My problems:

    1) The only player that is really good at creating shots for others is Chris Paul. Westbrook is a tremendous athlete but he doesn't get others involved as much. Williams likes to dribble...a lot. Both can be a little out of control at times.

    2) You essentially have a bunch of guys who play the same style at similar positions. Iguodola, Harden, Kobe, Carmelo, Durant, and Westbrook. Couple this with....

    3) They aren't physical enough on the roster. So you make a roster with a ton of guards and wings, then, you get a PF who is a step out type guy (Love) on offense. Chandler is really the only banger on the team (although, LeBron can put on different hats, but I don't really want him banging the entire game).

    Personally, if they switched out Rondo for Williams and then took off James Harden and added another physical big, I think they would be a lot better.

    A side note, does anyone else think that Anthony Davis has looked really good? He just seems like he understands the game very well for a 19 year old.

    Some of those people you are naming are on the team due to injuries. Rose if healthy would be on this team. Also Wade would be on this team and Dwight would if healthy. Which means 3 of the current players would be off. I am thinking Harden and Westbrook and Davis would be off.

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  • Last night's performance against ARG was impressive.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • Spartyshannon said...

    Some of those people you are naming are on the team due to injuries. Rose if healthy would be on this team. Also Wade would be on this team and Dwight would if healthy. Which means 3 of the current players would be off. I am thinking Harden and Westbrook and Davis would be off.

    Howard you would plug in no matter what. However, with Rose and Wade, my point is that you already have great players that play essentially the same role as those guys. How many athletic wings do you need on a team?

    You can always argue who is better...so you can put Rose in instead of Westbrook, but they are the same type of player. The team lacks two things....first, another facilitator besides Chris Paul (I would pick Rondo) and second, a threat in the post, offensively (and probably defensively too). Howard couldn't play so they replaced him with James Harden huh. I know there aren't Dwight Howard type players all over the place, but what about replacing him with a guy like Aldridge or Blake Griffin or something.

    El Doctor B

  • El Doctor B said...

    Howard you would plug in no matter what. However, with Rose and Wade, my point is that you already have great players that play essentially the same role as those guys. How many athletic wings do you need on a team?

    You can always argue who is better...so you can put Rose in instead of Westbrook, but they are the same type of player. The team lacks two things....first, another facilitator besides Chris Paul (I would pick Rondo) and second, a threat in the post, offensively (and probably defensively too). Howard couldn't play so they replaced him with James Harden huh. I know there aren't Dwight Howard type players all over the place, but what about replacing him with a guy like Aldridge or Blake Griffin or something.

    Griffin was going to be on the team (instead of Davis) but he got hurt also. There just weren't a lot of healthy inside options for the US team, with Howard, Bosh, and Griffin all injured.

    The knocks on Rondo (at least for the international style of play) are his outside shooting and perimeter defense, and there were rumblings that he didn't have good chemistry with a number of the current US team players during the tryouts.

    DaHorn_Spartan

  • El Doctor B said...

    Howard you would plug in no matter what. However, with Rose and Wade, my point is that you already have great players that play essentially the same role as those guys. How many athletic wings do you need on a team?

    You can always argue who is better...so you can put Rose in instead of Westbrook, but they are the same type of player. The team lacks two things....first, another facilitator besides Chris Paul (I would pick Rondo) and second, a threat in the post, offensively (and probably defensively too). Howard couldn't play so they replaced him with James Harden huh. I know there aren't Dwight Howard type players all over the place, but what about replacing him with a guy like Aldridge or Blake Griffin or something.

    Huge advocate of the 1992 team in this debate, but have to disagree on your assessment of Rose.

    Rose is a league MVP and an elite player. There are few people in the league that can keep Rose in front of them when has the ball. He can score from wherever, and gets in the lane and makes plays. He is a great facilitator. He also plays defense. I see Rose as a much better player than Westbrook, and would take Rose over Rondo as well.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Turtleneck on 8/7/2012 at 11:28 AM

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