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SpartanInNH said...
The only explanation I can find for this “striking lack of empathy” is self-absorption. In asking how a paragon of virtue could have behaved like such a thoroughly bad guy, the only available answer is that Paterno fell prey to the single most corrosive sin in sports: the belief that winning on the field makes you better and more important than other people.
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Hematoma said...
You can bet there was a lot more sleeze going on there. This kind of stuff doesn't happen in one area and not in others. Paterno hid all sorts of stuff, lied about it, controlled others with his power, intimidated and punished. I'm glad he at least had to live long enough to see what was coming.
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WBill@ said...
Yeah, last week CNN got a hold of some emails
"In email exchanges obtained by CNN between Vicky Triponey, then vice president of student affairs in charge of disciplining students, and then-athletic director Tim Curley and ex-president Graham Spanier, Triponey laments the culture surrounding the Nittany Lions football program, questioning why Paterno would be permitted to keep serious violations of the school’s code of conduct private “despite any moral or legal obligation to” make it public.
In a subsequent e-mail to then-Penn State President Graham Spanier she is more blunt: “I am very troubled by the manipulative, disrespectful, uncivil and abusive behavior of our football coach,” she writes.
In the same e-mail, she calls Paterno’s behavior “atrocious” and said others are mimicking his behavior. “It is quite shocking what this man — who is idolized by people everywhere — is teaching our students…” she writes.
The emails also suggest that, after Triponey had attempted to discipline PSU football players outside of Paterno’s preferred methods, she was harassed and it was ultimately suggested she leave her post.
After Triponey tried to discipline football players in the same manner as other students, she was harassed both online and at her home, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation. On her front lawn somebody put up a “for sale” sign. Police installed a surveillance camera. In the end, the source says Spanier suggested she think about her future at Penn State, and she resigned."
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/emails-from-ex-psu-official-blast-paternos-atrocious-behavior/
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Hematoma said...
Incredible. I didn't see that article, but I'm not surprised AT ALL. Joe Paterno was the biggest phony in the HISTORY of college athletics, and no, that is not an exaggeration. Glad this is all coming out. Sickening.
This post was edited by SpartanInNH on 7/14/2012 at 7:29 PM
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CuyahogaSpartan said...
The more I read about this, the more I think that PSU may want to shut down the football program for a while. Yes, I understand that it hurts the local community, but look at the goon-mindset this program has created? I remember when the news first broke, PSU fans were vilifying Sandusky's victims - now they are trying to cling to the notion that that old googly-eyed bastard was some sort of saint. Yes, the man did some good, but remember that some of the most wicked people in history also had long-lasting, positive contributions (Hitler's autobahn, for example). People are free to remember Joe Paterno the way they want - but take that goofy statue down and don't give him credit for building a good, wholesome program. The guy was a bully and a goon and shouldn't be praised as some sort of saint.
The more I read about this, the angrier I get. I want PSU football to get torpedo'd. Scratch that, I want them to face sanctions that make the Biblical plagues look like fun. I know that the anger I feel right now is nothing compared to the anger I'm going to feel when the statue stays standing and when PSU takes the field this season after having no punishments handed down from the NCAA or Delaney.
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ColoradoGreen said...
I wrote the following on a different thread earlier today. My take re: the statue is that they should leave it up. As history tends to repeat itself, I am not in favor of destroying a symbol of this tragedy. Unfortunately for PSU, they will forever be a poster child of moral absence. In a poetic kind of way, JoePa's legacy is properly depicted in this statue (not the placard and words), but rather the statue itself because for JoePa, football was above all else (including morality), the number one thing (as properly depicted as he holds holds up his index finger). They should leave the statue but remove the phrase "Educator, Coach, Humanitarian" that accompanies the statue and let PSU live with this embarassment rather than remove all signs of it. Allow others that see the statue to make up their own minds as to what it stands for. That said, I also like the idea of the death penality on the program.
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WBill@ said...
Yeah, last week CNN got a hold of some emails
"In email exchanges obtained by CNN between Vicky Triponey, then vice president of student affairs in charge of disciplining students, and then-athletic director Tim Curley and ex-president Graham Spanier, Triponey laments the culture surrounding the Nittany Lions football program, questioning why Paterno would be permitted to keep serious violations of the school’s code of conduct private “despite any moral or legal obligation to” make it public.
In a subsequent e-mail to then-Penn State President Graham Spanier she is more blunt: “I am very troubled by the manipulative, disrespectful, uncivil and abusive behavior of our football coach,” she writes.
In the same e-mail, she calls Paterno’s behavior “atrocious” and said others are mimicking his behavior. “It is quite shocking what this man — who is idolized by people everywhere — is teaching our students…” she writes.
The emails also suggest that, after Triponey had attempted to discipline PSU football players outside of Paterno’s preferred methods, she was harassed and it was ultimately suggested she leave her post.
After Triponey tried to discipline football players in the same manner as other students, she was harassed both online and at her home, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation. On her front lawn somebody put up a “for sale” sign. Police installed a surveillance camera. In the end, the source says Spanier suggested she think about her future at Penn State, and she resigned."
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/emails-from-ex-psu-official-blast-paternos-atrocious-behavior/
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0915426 said...
This info was actually released last year. I have always remembered this when passing judgement on Paterno and rebutting claims about his so-called great character. I'm glad this is being revisited and hope that it becomes well circulated and discussed. JoePa's priorities were quite messed up, probably not unlike many coaches.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-Discipline/51346682/1
This post was edited by SpartanInNH on 7/14/2012 at 8:15 PM
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The Sins of the Father - Must Read Article on Paterno