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The Sins of the Father - Must Read Article on Paterno

  • NSIAP

    This post was edited by Raburn Sucks on 7/14/2012 at 12:58 PM

    Rick Reilly: Joe Paterno's True Legacy - ESPN

    Rick Reilly regrets his additions to the myths surrounding Joe Paterno.

    espn.go.com

    Raburn Sucks

  • I agree with the writer - Penn State's football program deserves the death penalty.

    Nommad

  • I cannot even begin to think of how embarrassing it must be to be a Penn State grad right now. What went on there is absolutely inexcusable. I would say shut the school down, but that would ruin so many lives of people who had no idea what was going on here. The more I read about this the angrier I get.

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    victory4msu25

  • Good work by Rick, Interesting that at least one person was on to the "real Joe" 25 years ago.

    WBill19542

  • WBill@ said...

    Good work by Rick, Interesting that at least one person was on to the "real Joe" 25 years ago.

    Not surprising it was a professor. I'm beginning to wonder how many of those Penn State grads on the football team earned their degrees, rather than having the academics cave to pressure from Paterno. He had a reputation to uphold, after all.

    SpartanInNH

  • Raburn Sucks said...

    NSIAP

    And Sally Jenkins is downright pissed that JoePa lied to her face.
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    Everything else about Paterno must now be questioned; other details about him begin to nag. You now wonder if his self-defense was all an exercise in sealing off watertight compartments, leaving colleagues on the outside to drown. You wonder if he performed a very neat trick in disguising himself as a modest and benevolent man. The subtle but constant emphasis on his Ivy League education, the insistence that Penn State football had higher standards, now looks more like rampant elitism. ...

    The only explanation I can find for this “striking lack of empathy” is self-absorption. In asking how a paragon of virtue could have behaved like such a thoroughly bad guy, the only available answer is that Paterno fell prey to the single most corrosive sin in sports: the belief that winning on the field makes you better and more important than other people.

    Joe Paterno, at the end, showed more interest in his legacy than Sandusky’s victims - The Washington Post

    The exposure of Joe Paternos deceptions at Penn State call into question his legacy.

    www.washingtonpost.com

    SpartanInNH

  • SpartanInNH said...

    The only explanation I can find for this “striking lack of empathy” is self-absorption. In asking how a paragon of virtue could have behaved like such a thoroughly bad guy, the only available answer is that Paterno fell prey to the single most corrosive sin in sports: the belief that winning on the field makes you better and more important than other people.

    Sounds like scUM.

    Sciron

  • SpartanInNH said...

    Not surprising it was a professor. I'm beginning to wonder how many of those Penn State grads on the football team earned their degrees, rather than having the academics cave to pressure from Paterno. He had a reputation to uphold, after all.

    You can bet there was a lot more sleeze going on there. This kind of stuff doesn't happen in one area and not in others. Paterno hid all sorts of stuff, lied about it, controlled others with his power, intimidated and punished. I'm glad he at least had to live long enough to see what was coming.

    No wonder Matt Millen was such a dumbass. I wonder if ever even went to class.

    Its five o'clock somewhere.

    Hematoma

  • I think im gonna take a quick little trip over to the blue and white board with this article... whistling

    ColonelAngus

  • Hematoma said...

    You can bet there was a lot more sleeze going on there. This kind of stuff doesn't happen in one area and not in others. Paterno hid all sorts of stuff, lied about it, controlled others with his power, intimidated and punished. I'm glad he at least had to live long enough to see what was coming.

    Yeah, last week CNN got a hold of some emails

    "In email exchanges obtained by CNN between Vicky Triponey, then vice president of student affairs in charge of disciplining students, and then-athletic director Tim Curley and ex-president Graham Spanier, Triponey laments the culture surrounding the Nittany Lions football program, questioning why Paterno would be permitted to keep serious violations of the school’s code of conduct private “despite any moral or legal obligation to” make it public.

    In a subsequent e-mail to then-Penn State President Graham Spanier she is more blunt: “I am very troubled by the manipulative, disrespectful, uncivil and abusive behavior of our football coach,” she writes.

    In the same e-mail, she calls Paterno’s behavior “atrocious” and said others are mimicking his behavior. “It is quite shocking what this man — who is idolized by people everywhere — is teaching our students…” she writes.

    The emails also suggest that, after Triponey had attempted to discipline PSU football players outside of Paterno’s preferred methods, she was harassed and it was ultimately suggested she leave her post.

    After Triponey tried to discipline football players in the same manner as other students, she was harassed both online and at her home, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation. On her front lawn somebody put up a “for sale” sign. Police installed a surveillance camera. In the end, the source says Spanier suggested she think about her future at Penn State, and she resigned."

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/emails-from-ex-psu-official-blast-paternos-atrocious-behavior/

    WBill19542

  • WBill@ said...

    Yeah, last week CNN got a hold of some emails

    "In email exchanges obtained by CNN between Vicky Triponey, then vice president of student affairs in charge of disciplining students, and then-athletic director Tim Curley and ex-president Graham Spanier, Triponey laments the culture surrounding the Nittany Lions football program, questioning why Paterno would be permitted to keep serious violations of the school’s code of conduct private “despite any moral or legal obligation to” make it public.

    In a subsequent e-mail to then-Penn State President Graham Spanier she is more blunt: “I am very troubled by the manipulative, disrespectful, uncivil and abusive behavior of our football coach,” she writes.

    In the same e-mail, she calls Paterno’s behavior “atrocious” and said others are mimicking his behavior. “It is quite shocking what this man — who is idolized by people everywhere — is teaching our students…” she writes.

    The emails also suggest that, after Triponey had attempted to discipline PSU football players outside of Paterno’s preferred methods, she was harassed and it was ultimately suggested she leave her post.

    After Triponey tried to discipline football players in the same manner as other students, she was harassed both online and at her home, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation. On her front lawn somebody put up a “for sale” sign. Police installed a surveillance camera. In the end, the source says Spanier suggested she think about her future at Penn State, and she resigned."

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/emails-from-ex-psu-official-blast-paternos-atrocious-behavior/

    Incredible. I didn't see that article, but I'm not surprised AT ALL. Joe Paterno was the biggest phony in the HISTORY of college athletics, and no, that is not an exaggeration. Glad this is all coming out. Sickening.

    Its five o'clock somewhere.

    Hematoma

  • The more I read about this, the more I think that PSU may want to shut down the football program for a while. Yes, I understand that it hurts the local community, but look at the goon-mindset this program has created? I remember when the news first broke, PSU fans were vilifying Sandusky's victims - now they are trying to cling to the notion that that old googly-eyed bastard was some sort of saint. Yes, the man did some good, but remember that some of the most wicked people in history also had long-lasting, positive contributions (Hitler's autobahn, for example). People are free to remember Joe Paterno the way they want - but take that goofy statue down and don't give him credit for building a good, wholesome program. The guy was a bully and a goon and shouldn't be praised as some sort of saint.

    The more I read about this, the angrier I get. I want PSU football to get torpedo'd. Scratch that, I want them to face sanctions that make the Biblical plagues look like fun. I know that the anger I feel right now is nothing compared to the anger I'm going to feel when the statue stays standing and when PSU takes the field this season after having no punishments handed down from the NCAA or Delaney.

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    CuyahogaSpartan

  • Rick Reilly, sunshine blower to the masses... got trolled hard by a professor, went along his merry business writing his little fluff piece (of which he's written hundreds, if not thousands) and now... he feels anger for standing by his man for all those years.

    This is what I think Tanny likes to call "the sunshine blowers paradox"

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    Dr Leo Spaceman

  • I rarely think that Reilly is worth a read, but he gets it right here.

    tRCMB - Visit at your own risk of being disgusted.

    Gob_Bluth

  • I've somewhat avoided this for awhile. But, after reading some of the recent items, I don't see any way the PSU should remain in the B1G and I honestly think that the football program should take a self imposed hiatus. I don't think the NCAA should even play the bad guy in this.

    Bring ND into the B1G. Let PSU swim with the fishes for awhile.

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    SeeGreen

  • Hematoma said...

    Incredible. I didn't see that article, but I'm not surprised AT ALL. Joe Paterno was the biggest phony in the HISTORY of college athletics, and no, that is not an exaggeration. Glad this is all coming out. Sickening.

    That's been out there for a while. From the CNN article:

    [In an e-mail to AD Tim Curley, Triponey] criticizes Paterno for wanting to limit the Campus Code of Conduct to incidents that take place on campus and keeping disciplinary matters involving his players private. "Coach Paterno would rather we NOT inform the public when a football player is found responsible for committing a serious violation of the law and/or our student code -- despite any moral or legal obligation to do so," according to her e-mail.

    In the same e-mail, Triponey also refers to calls her office was receiving from coaches and others. "I must insist that the efforts to put pressure on (Student Affairs) and try to influence our decisions...simply MUST STOP," she writes.
    ___________________________________
    That's from 2005. When she tried to investigate the involvement of football players in an off-campus brawl in 2007, she was stonewalled -- by Paterno, who insisted he be the ultimate authority when it came to discipline for his team -- and she ultimately resigned, at the suggestion of the university president.

    Edit: I forgot the best part. Triponey's resignation came after Paterno told her to pound sand on her investigation into the off-campus conduct of his football players, and the president backed him up. Also from the CNN article:

    After Triponey left Penn State, the university changed its discipline policy involving off-campus incidents. Its current code of conduct says it only applies to "off campus conduct that affects a Substantial University interest."

    This post was edited by SpartanInNH on 7/14/2012 at 7:29 PM

    SpartanInNH

  • CuyahogaSpartan said...

    The more I read about this, the more I think that PSU may want to shut down the football program for a while. Yes, I understand that it hurts the local community, but look at the goon-mindset this program has created? I remember when the news first broke, PSU fans were vilifying Sandusky's victims - now they are trying to cling to the notion that that old googly-eyed bastard was some sort of saint. Yes, the man did some good, but remember that some of the most wicked people in history also had long-lasting, positive contributions (Hitler's autobahn, for example). People are free to remember Joe Paterno the way they want - but take that goofy statue down and don't give him credit for building a good, wholesome program. The guy was a bully and a goon and shouldn't be praised as some sort of saint.

    The more I read about this, the angrier I get. I want PSU football to get torpedo'd. Scratch that, I want them to face sanctions that make the Biblical plagues look like fun. I know that the anger I feel right now is nothing compared to the anger I'm going to feel when the statue stays standing and when PSU takes the field this season after having no punishments handed down from the NCAA or Delaney.

    I wrote the following on a different thread earlier today. My take re: the statue is that:

    they should leave it up. As history tends to repeat itself, I am not in favor of destroying a symbol of this tragedy. Unfortunately for PSU, they will forever be a poster child of moral absence. In a poetic kind of way, JoePa's legacy is properly depicted in this statue (not the placard and words), but rather the statue itself because for JoePa, football was above all else (including morality), the number one thing (as properly depicted as he holds holds up his index finger). They should leave the statue but remove the phrase "Educator, Coach, Humanitarian" that accompanies the statue and let PSU live with this embarassment rather than remove all signs of it. Allow others that see the statue to make up their own minds as to what it stands for.

    That said, I also like the idea of the death penality on the program. Oh and one more thing...Sorry PSU, renovating your showers does not go far enough!!!

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by ColoradoGreen on 7/14/2012 at 7:52 PM

    ColoradoGreen

  • ColoradoGreen said...

    I wrote the following on a different thread earlier today. My take re: the statue is that they should leave it up. As history tends to repeat itself, I am not in favor of destroying a symbol of this tragedy. Unfortunately for PSU, they will forever be a poster child of moral absence. In a poetic kind of way, JoePa's legacy is properly depicted in this statue (not the placard and words), but rather the statue itself because for JoePa, football was above all else (including morality), the number one thing (as properly depicted as he holds holds up his index finger). They should leave the statue but remove the phrase "Educator, Coach, Humanitarian" that accompanies the statue and let PSU live with this embarassment rather than remove all signs of it. Allow others that see the statue to make up their own minds as to what it stands for. That said, I also like the idea of the death penality on the program.

    Maybe just remove the word "Humanitarian" from the wall behind him. He sure did educate a lot of people, and coaching was apparently the only thing that mattered to him.

    SpartanInNH

  • SpartanInNH said...

    Maybe just remove the word "Humanitarian" from the wall behind him. He sure did educate a lot of people, and coaching was apparently the only thing that mattered to him.

    Well said!! So True!

    ColoradoGreen

  • goodbar said...

    "Educator, Coach, Accomplice."

    Oh. My. God. Replace "Accomplice" with "Conspirator," and you've got something there, Sparky.

    SpartanInNH

  • SpartanInNH said...

    Oh. My. God. Replace "Accomplice" with "Conspirator," and you've got something there, Sparky.

    Well done sir!

    This post was edited by ColoradoGreen on 7/14/2012 at 7:57 PM

    ColoradoGreen

  • WBill@ said...

    Yeah, last week CNN got a hold of some emails

    "In email exchanges obtained by CNN between Vicky Triponey, then vice president of student affairs in charge of disciplining students, and then-athletic director Tim Curley and ex-president Graham Spanier, Triponey laments the culture surrounding the Nittany Lions football program, questioning why Paterno would be permitted to keep serious violations of the school’s code of conduct private “despite any moral or legal obligation to” make it public.

    In a subsequent e-mail to then-Penn State President Graham Spanier she is more blunt: “I am very troubled by the manipulative, disrespectful, uncivil and abusive behavior of our football coach,” she writes.

    In the same e-mail, she calls Paterno’s behavior “atrocious” and said others are mimicking his behavior. “It is quite shocking what this man — who is idolized by people everywhere — is teaching our students…” she writes.

    The emails also suggest that, after Triponey had attempted to discipline PSU football players outside of Paterno’s preferred methods, she was harassed and it was ultimately suggested she leave her post.

    After Triponey tried to discipline football players in the same manner as other students, she was harassed both online and at her home, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation. On her front lawn somebody put up a “for sale” sign. Police installed a surveillance camera. In the end, the source says Spanier suggested she think about her future at Penn State, and she resigned."

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/emails-from-ex-psu-official-blast-paternos-atrocious-behavior/

    This info was actually released last year. I have always remembered this when passing judgement on Paterno and rebutting claims about his so-called great character. I'm glad this is being revisited and hope that it becomes well circulated and discussed. JoePa's priorities were quite messed up, probably not unlike many coaches.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-Discipline/51346682/1

    0915426A

  • 0915426 said...

    This info was actually released last year. I have always remembered this when passing judgement on Paterno and rebutting claims about his so-called great character. I'm glad this is being revisited and hope that it becomes well circulated and discussed. JoePa's priorities were quite messed up, probably not unlike many coaches.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-Discipline/51346682/1

    whoa

    William Britt, a police sergeant in Philadelphia's homicide division, said he's not surprised by the alleged coverup. "I see how this happens (at Penn State). We lived it," Britt said.I

    n April 2007, as many as two dozen football players forced their way into a party at an off-campus apartment and assaulted several students , including Britt's son, Jack, who was severely beaten. Six players faced criminal charges as a result of the brawl. In the end, many of the charges against the players were dismissed, and two players pleaded guilty to misdemeanor offenses.

    In the middle of the school's internal investigation, Triponey said Spanier ordered her to meet with Paterno. Triponey said she had repeatedly refused to discuss cases with Paterno because she didn't want to compromise her impartiality. "The coach was not happy with that," Triponey said in a phone interview with USA TODAY. "Many times he tried to insist upon a meeting with me, asked others to have meetings with me. Sent his wife (Sue) one time. In the middle of cases. This became a bone of contention."

    "The coach was literally telling his players that they couldn't cooperate with judicial affairs or they would get kicked off the team. So we were going nowhere in getting to the bottom of things," Triponey said. "I said to the coach, 'This would be so much easier if you would tell your players just to tell the truth.' He was livid, and the message to me was, 'I can't do that. They have to play for me and I can't ask them to rat on each other.' The president also chimed in and said, 'Vicky, the coach is right. We can't expect the players to tell the truth.' So that's the environment that was underlying this whole debate about who's in charge."

    Edit: And those fuckers down the road complain about Rather Hall. What was Dantonio's response to a far more minor incident? Removing players from the team for their involvement or for failing to tell him the truth about same.

    This post was edited by SpartanInNH on 7/14/2012 at 8:15 PM

    SpartanInNH

  • Raburn Sucks said...

    NSIAP

    Good article. Death penalty is the only right answer.

    The moment is eternal

    Desert Green

  • I don't believe in Hell, but, if it's real, I hope JoePa is burning there for the rest of eternity. Fuck that guy in the face, fucking pedo-enabling asshole...

    http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/essay.htm

    iCameron