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Trey Burke: He gone! He's staying! (UPDATE: Who cares?)

  • Mog said...

    And thank God in 2010 MSU had no trip to Columbus and had the @ Northwestern game handed to them after being down 17-0 and 27-21 with just over 2 minutes to go using a trick play on 4th and 11 earlier in the 4th quarter to even be in position to steal that one. Then the epic Purdue collapse after they were up 28-13 going into the 4th quarter on our senior day. Lots of things had to bounce MSU's way to get a 3-way share of the B1G title in 2010, and they took advantage of it. scUM fans are notorious for saying all of the above trying to devalue MSU's "shared" title. I think people on both sides are just trying to find ways to rationalize how MSU football or scUM basketball could possibly win a regular season B1G championship.

    except MSU wasn't losing half their team after 2010 and proclaiming themselves national title contenders. we all knew we over achieved in 2010 and were lucky to win 11 games - and then the bama game showed exactly how far we were from being in their category.

    Kind of like how scUM got drilled by tOSU in the BTT and then lost to a MAC school in the first game of the NCAAs. The difference is this michigan team is losing SIX players and only replacing half of them - with unknowns at the D1 level. MSU, however, didn't lose much at all after 2010 and we knew our best players were only beginning to "get it" - a la Big Will. The comparisons are totally and completely specious. Everyone here expected us to take a step back in 2011, and hoped that if everything went perfectly we *might* get to 10 wins again.

    Compare that to the delusional Walverines declaring themselves a final four team because of Burke and McGary. lol

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    boozhoo ●

  • He not gone

    BH Spartan

  • Johnny2x2x said...

    So, U of M should be a top 15 team in preseason, State a top 10.

    Katz already has them 8th roflmao

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    boozhoo ●

  • Bob Sakimano said...

    I, for one, am glad we don't care..

    Go away for a month and come back with a new schtick. This one is way beyond its expiration date.

    Do you respect wood?

    Death Roe

  • boozhoo said...

    . The difference is this michigan team is losing SIX players and only replacing half of them - with unknowns at the D1 level. lol

    I think you are really overselling Michigan's departures. Michigan returns their 3 best players, will have much more post depth, and adds a player with skills UM hasn't had a in a while (Robinson). Every team loses players- is Michigan losing Novak, Douglass and Smotrycs really worse than MSU losing Thornton, Wood, and Green?

    I think both teams should be B10 contenders.

    Big M

  • It would be fun if he said he just followed his heart and decided to stay.

    dagomike

  • Can't wait to see the chemistry issues play out on that team next year. Should be interesting.

    ByTor20084

  • Big M said...

    I think you are really overselling Michigan's departures. Michigan returns their 3 best players, will have much more post depth, and adds a player with skills UM hasn't had a in a while (Robinson). Every team loses players- is Michigan losing Novak, Douglass and Smotrycs really worse than MSU losing Thornton, Wood, and Green?

    I think both teams should be B10 contenders.

    Ahh, the tried and true "Well we didn't need them/they wouldn't have been that good this season anyway" response.

    Go away, Big M.

    Do you respect wood?

    Death Roe

  • Death Roe said...

    Ahh, the tried and true "Well we didn't need them/they wouldn't have been that good this season anyway" response.

    Go away, Big M.

    I did not say that.

    Big M

  • Big M said...

    I did not say that.

    Have you been sucking up here, then talking shit about us at the Victors lately, Two-Face?

    Do you respect wood?

    Death Roe

  • Big M said...

    I did not say that.

    Yes you did.

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    Turtleneck

  • By-Tor said...

    Can't wait to see the chemistry issues play out on that team next year. Should be interesting.

    Michigan fans tried to deny they had chemistry issues last year, even though Burke and Hardaway addressed it, and 3 guys transferred.

    The addition of Robinson is going to cause more problems for Hardaway.

    NigelUno

  • Big M said...

    I think you are really overselling Michigan's departures. Michigan returns their 3 best players, will have much more post depth, and adds a player with skills UM hasn't had a in a while (Robinson). Every team loses players- is Michigan losing Novak, Douglass and Smotrycs really worse than MSU losing Thornton, Wood, and Green?

    I think both teams should be B10 contenders.

    yes. losing those three guys is a much bigger deal, because you don't have anyone groomed to step in and replace them. You are depending on true freshmen to fill those voids. Stauskus may be good...or he could play like Byrd did this year (more likely). McGary has been getting eviscerated by recruitniks across the country for sucking....he's no savior. the only real guy you have coming in is Robinson, but who knows how well he'll adapt to the Big Ten - even the most talented guys struggle their first year. Look at Dawson, who in Izzo's words "couldn't check this podium" the first half of the season.

    Meanwhile, we're two deep at every position on the court. our top freshman looks to be as polished as any we've had in a long time, Payne, Dawson, Appling, Trice, and yes Nix will all take steps forward. Costello can be a force if he catches on. and Harris can score like crazy. After Burke, Hardaway, Morgan, and Vogrich all you have is filler and freshmen. not another guy with any actual experience. and Morgan is a statue who benefited tremendously from Novack's hustle and pick and rolls. he has no individual game to speak of. Which leaves you with Hardaway and Burke to score. Novack is a prick, but he was a fighter and imo the MVP of that team. You guys are fucking delusional if you don't think you'll piss his leadership. he was a prototypical Beilien guy....and Smotrycz should have replaced him....you are in for a rude awakening if you think they can simply slide freshmen into slots occupied by seniors and other regular contributors and actually IMPROVE.

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  • and now Rexrode puts scUM 2nd behind IU and ahead of us w/ Burke coming back.

    can ANYONE explain this to me? what do they have that I'm missing in the above post? they lost HALF their team and only replaced a quarter of it! their bench will have 3 empty seats!

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    boozhoo ●

  • Hmmmmm.....seems I wasn't wrong by doubting the so called "pro" CBS Sports writer who broke this story....guess I won't hear from a certain poster who called me out on this, will I? ;)

    ancientspartan

  • Johnny2x2x said...

    So, U of M should be a top 15 team in preseason, State a top 10.

    I just don't get this thinking. UM played essentially six players last year: Burke, Hardaway, Morgan, Douglass, Smotrycz and Novak.

    With Novak, Douglass and Smotrycz gone, UM loses not only half their contributors, but three of their best outside shooters. And they were only a very good team that overachieved anyway. Not to mention, UM really relied on the versatility of Novak and Smotrycz to stretch the floor on the frontline and open the paint. In a four out, three point shooting offense, UM will really struggle to replace these players.

    Sure, UM is bringing in some talent, but this isn't UK talent. After seeing their incoming freshman play and looking at their returning roster, I don't see a stretch four on the roster. Plus, the seem to have too many posts. Morgan, Horford and McGary are essentially the same player, but Beilein's offensive system almost completely neglects the post and generally uses one traditional big in a screening capacity.

    On paper, they are no better than Indiana, OSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota or MSU. I also like Iowa and Illinois as potential sleepers next year, assuming no major attrition.

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  • boozhoo said...

    yes. losing those three guys is a much bigger deal, because you don't have anyone groomed to step in and replace them. You are depending on true freshmen to fill those voids. Stauskus may be good...or he could play like Byrd did this year (more likely). McGary has been getting eviscerated by recruitniks across the country for sucking....he's no savior. the only real guy you have coming in is Robinson, but who knows how well he'll adapt to the Big Ten - even the most talented guys struggle their first year. Look at Dawson, who in Izzo's words "couldn't check this podium" the first half of the season.

    Meanwhile, we're two deep at every position on the court. our top freshman looks to be as polished as any we've had in a long time, Payne, Dawson, Appling, Trice, and yes Nix will all take steps forward. Costello can be a force if he catches on. and Harris can score like crazy. After Burke, Hardaway, Morgan, and Vogrich all you have is filler and freshmen. not another guy with any actual experience. and Morgan is a statue who benefited tremendously from Novack's hustle and pick and rolls. he has no individual game to speak of. Which leaves you with Hardaway and Burke to score. Novack is a prick, but he was a fighter and imo the MVP of that team. You guys are fucking delusional if you don't think you'll piss his leadership. he was a prototypical Beilien guy....and Smotrycz should have replaced him....you are in for a rude awakening if you think they can simply slide freshmen into slots occupied by seniors and other regular contributors and actually IMPROVE.

    I don't think they'll miss Smot that much. My guess is Horford was handling him in practice.

    NigelUno

  • Big M said...

    I think you are really overselling Michigan's departures. Michigan returns their 3 best players, will have much more post depth, and adds a player with skills UM hasn't had a in a while (Robinson). Every team loses players- is Michigan losing Novak, Douglass and Smotrycs really worse than MSU losing Thornton, Wood, and Green?

    I think both teams should be B10 contenders.

    Who are your three best players? I would say Novak was definitely your second best player. I can see an argument for your SG, but he disappeared at times. I think you will have more skill, but will be shocked a bit how losing seniors like Douglas and Novak can really hurt for a developing program. Losing Green will hurt, but we have a very strong program and direction, where that leadership can be replaced.

    I think you will have a more talented team, but I do think that Mitch will be unbelievably overrated (watch him take and brick wayyyyy too many 15-20 foot shots that are contested) and Burke will not produce like he did this year. Hardaway should improve, and I really do like Robinson and think he can be very good next year. You lack depth in the backcourt though, and your post game might be a tad overrated.

    It will be interesting to see how this team does, but who comes off the bench at the five, four, and one will be big questions. Also, when things start to go south, will someone step up and fill Novak or Douglass's shoes and be able to bring the team back and focus in? Finally, where is the three point shooting that fits your system going to come from. Burke can hit it, but can Hardaway and Robinson hit?

    Lots of question marks, but they are in a better spot then they were a few years ago (We had a 9 game win streak!!!).

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    Bailey1149

  • Thanks for the negs, Big Bitch

    Do you respect wood?

    Death Roe

  • Bailey1149 said...

    Who are your three best players? I would say Novak was definitely your second best player. I can see an argument for your SG, but he disappeared at times. I think you will have more skill, but will be shocked a bit how losing seniors like Douglas and Novak can really hurt for a developing program. Losing Green will hurt, but we have a very strong program and direction, where that leadership can be replaced.

    I think you will have a more talented team, but I do think that Mitch will be unbelievably overrated (watch him take and brick wayyyyy too many 15-20 foot shots that are contested) and Burke will not produce like he did this year. Hardaway should improve, and I really do like Robinson and think he can be very good next year. You lack depth in the backcourt though, and your post game might be a tad overrated.

    It will be interesting to see how this team does, but who comes off the bench at the five, four, and one will be big questions. Also, when things start to go south, will someone step up and fill Novak or Douglass's shoes and be able to bring the team back and focus in? Finally, where is the three point shooting that fits your system going to come from. Burke can hit it, but can Hardaway and Robinson hit?

    Lots of question marks, but they are in a better spot then they were a few years ago (We had a 9 game win streak!!!).

    Novak really tailed off towards the end of the year, so I might be overreacting to that. He turned into a + player for most of the year,so you might be right. I suspect Michigan will struggle somewhat in the beginning of the year because you are right- senior leadership is hard to replace. The reason I think UM could be better is the continued development of Burke and Hardaway, and a lot more post depth that I think will allow UM to compete better against OSU, MSU, etc. Horford coming back isn't being discussed at all, plus another true freshman big redshirted, and McGary, if nothing else, will give UM size and rebounding. It will have to be a different team to be successful.

    To make it clear-I'm not saying UM is going to be a Final Four contender, but I think the idea that they are going to take a big step back is misplaced.

    Big M

  • Good, bring it, ball hog.

    mentalstate

  • Death Roe said...

    Thanks for the negs, Big Bitch

    I've never neg voted anyone on this network.

    Big M

  • Big M said...

    Novak really tailed off towards the end of the year, so I might be overreacting to that. He turned into a + player for most of the year,so you might be right. I suspect Michigan will struggle somewhat in the beginning of the year because you are right- senior leadership is hard to replace. The reason I think UM could be better is the continued development of Burke and Hardaway, and a lot more post depth that I think will allow UM to compete better against OSU, MSU, etc. Horford coming back isn't being discussed at all, plus another true freshman big redshirted, and McGary, if nothing else, will give UM size and rebounding. It will have to be a different team to be successful.

    To make it clear-I'm not saying UM is going to be a Final Four contender, but I think the idea that they are going to take a big step back is misplaced.

    Hardaway went backward in every part of his game, and there's a freshman coming who is a very similar player (GRIII). That might not work out very well.

    Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.

    rookmsu

  • rookmsu said...

    Hardaway went backward in every part of his game, and there's a freshman coming who is a very similar player (GRIII). That might not work out very well.

    He definitely regressed. I think he got a lot better looks with Morris. I'm hopeful Burke will make improvements.

    Big M

  • I don't really care one way or another, but this is one of the rare circumstances where it might have been smart for a borderline player to go. I find it hard to believe he's going to have a season better than his first one. If anything, the weaknesses in his game might get exposed as teams will be better prepared for him.

    Fletch

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