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They don't seem to have a clue as to how rare it is for some under the radar recruit like Burke turns into a POY level. Without this guy their offense is Northwestern with better athletes.

I have no clue how that kid has stayed in mocks. He kinda stinks.

Yep....they absolutely hit the lottery with Burke - a 3 star kid who just turned out to be insanely talented and a POY level guy as a soph. They seem to think they can just bring in a random 4 star PG to replace him and they'll be fine. They are in for a very rude awakening when they are starting Spike, stauskus, Lavert, Morgan, and either Gump or Horford next year. They'll have that Walton kid to back up Spike, Horford, and the other 2 frosh forwards. oh, and Bielfeldt.

and yet one NBA GM after another has drafted the likes of Joe Alexander, Adam Morrison, Jimmer Fredette, Gordon Hayward, Luke Babbitt and Tyler Hansbrough.. all since 2006. NBA GMs are the best. Comedic gold every draft.

I just looked at UK's 2013 class....fuck me.

If Burke is the only one to go, I don't see a huge regression in their team next year. Let me be clear. I think Burke is a great player and will be difficult to replace. Great scorer, passer, low turnover/asst ratio.

Walton and Irvin are going to see a ton of playing time as freshman. We'd be boucing off the walls right now if those two were headed to MSU next year. Ironically, Irvin has drawn a lot of comparisons to Gary Harris. Same position, same school (Hamilton SE), similar national ranking, etc.

However, I feel that Walton is going to make or break the team. As someone mentioned earlier, UM players need help creating shots. Burke was a scoring threat which allowed him to draw defenders and open up teammates. How well can Walton handle the point?

I think it will be interesting to see how B_ handles playing time if GRIII and THJ return. Where will Irvin fit into the rotation.....I assume their starting 5 will be Walton, THJ, GRIII, McGary, Morgan? With Stauskas and Irvin coming off the bench?

If that.

They don't beat us or win @ Purdue without Burke. Probably don't beat OSU in AA, maybe even lose at home to PSU the first game.

Burke carrier this team especially the last five or six games. THJ is a pathetic loser who is utterly incapable of ever making a play when his team needs it.

well... we were 6-6.

I think you missed his point....

But according to their fans, Walton is coming in as a freshman and will be BETTER than Burke (no joke, heard this from one of them). They really do not realize how good Burke is and how rare it is to have a freshman point do so well, let alone pick up where Burke left off.

Its the same thing with football where all of their idiot fans think incoming freshman are going to play right away and make a huge difference.....its rare, the step from HS to college is a BIG one.

Burke is a helluva player, but his weakness is he can't go left and drive. I was watching him the whole game and even when he had the favorable match up to drive after a defender switch, he could not stay left and go up left. He either pulls up for the outside J, crosses over to the right side in the lane, or looks for the baseline kickout to the corner.

look at the replay of the final play - He had Zeller matched up above the three. had a step on Zeller above the FT line. all he had to do was finish strong with his left and couldn't. Instead, he tries to cross over hop to the right side too late and threw up a prayer. Some would argue that he was trying to draw contact; nope not going to fly. He had his man beat and there was absolutely no need; you go strong and not hope for a generous whistle.

just some screencaps to illustrate the point. he had separation and was a step ahead. If he plants with his right and goes up with his left - game over. instead plants left, starts up with his right, switches hands, then throws up some junk with his left. Pay attention UM-opposing coaches.

Some thought they would fall off the earth after Morris left. BLine is putting in a foundation. Is it finished? No.