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Urban Meyer on B1G recruiting

  • f'ing buckeyes.

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    beal99 ●

  • SpartonRocky - I'd like to share my perspective on things with you. I was one of those guys that couldn't stand Urban Meyer before he was our coach. I wanted Luke Fickel to be given a couple of years to show what he could do once he had the reigns in his hands and could hire who he wanted to. There were plenty of 'Urban Crier' quips typed at my computer keyboard. Since he has been here, I have not seen anything from him that makes me think of him as anything but a straight shooter with a drive to win. He will go after your recruits, but he will let you know up front that he will do it.

    Tressel was a great recruiter, and he had a great brand to sell. Urban Meyer is on an entirely higher level. The recruiting for a normal Tressel year was to get 15 guys that anyone in the country would have liked to have gotten, and then fill up the rest of the class with die hard Buckeyes, legacy kids, and projects. I would put to you that every one of the guys Meyer recruited this year is a stud in his own right. I don't think one of the kids is a reach. This year we pulled 3 out of the top 10 kids from Texas. Prior to that we had pulled 3 of the top Texas kids over the last 16 years. Next year is really going to be the year that everyone takes a step back and says wtf?!? Next years class is going to be off the charts.

    Ohio State sells itself, but so does Meyer. We would not have had near this class without him. I can't remember exactly how many times I saw recruits say that they came to take a look at Ohio State just because of Meyer, but it was a lot. So it is in some part who the coach is. You can bring some guys to the midwest if you have a rock star coach. We need some more superstars in the B1G. Tressel would not have gotten Clark, Wilson, Johnson, or Bell in this class if he was still here. No way.

    I have no problem with the way the Spartans have been playing. They bring it on the field and have been one of the few B1G teams to take it to the SEC. I don't even have a problem with the way they are recruiting. You seem to be able to evaluate players that fit you system and get some guys that are underated. You guys always seem to be up for a good game with us. But, it seems like the rest of the B1G is on cruise control. OSU had been just as complacent. We were so cheap when it came to paying out money get get the best assistants.

    Well I'll sit back and wait for the drubbing.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • beal99 said...

    f'ing buckeyes.

    That first O really loves America.

    Chitown_Badger

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    Well I'll sit back and wait for the drubbing.

    Thoughtful and on-topic posts like yours are quite welcome here.

    I agree with you that most of the Big10 has been on cruise control for a bit. But you can start to see things change, for MSU at least.

    Its often mocked by the scUM trolls, but MSU is starting to recruit nationally. They haven't had much success yet, but it takes time, but the effort is being made there. They are also recruiting guys earlier than ever. So changes are being made.

    Now, is Urban and staff more effective and intense with recruiting? Probably, but they also have a better product to sell. As a MSU alum, it hurts to say this, but OSU definitely has more recent success and tradition to sell to recruits. That alone is a huge huge huge advantage. MSU is slowly working to that spot, but its not going to happen overnight.

    Things I'd like to see changed for MSU recruiting:
    -Every staff member needs to be a top notch recruiter. Its embarrassing that our OC is so inept at recruiting.
    -More support and funds from the AD
    -More east coast and Illinois recruiting. The Illinois recruiting issues are a result of our OC being terrible at recruiting. Now that Rutgers and Maryland are in the Big10, it should hopefully open up some opportunities to recruit there.

    Just my uninformed thoughts and opinions. I'm sure those more educated on the matter will have more meaningful input.

    Sigmakan ●

  • 48 pages?whoa

    y2kMgrad ●

  • y2kMgrad said...

    48 pages?whoa

    Freedom of speech

    JLSparty

  • Crazy Jim9 said...

    Was there some directive from the OSU board for OSU posters to copy and paste this statement on the RCMB?

    If you hadn't noticed, this thread was perpetuated by a large quantity of OSU posters flaming away. Are MSU fans supposed to refrain from defending themselves? I think about 5 pages of outright flames were deleted from this thread.

    The most laughable reoccurring theme in this thread was the constant mantra: "We came here for sensible talk and got attacked!" Rocky gave a good effort to try and have sensible talk, but the most common response was how MSU was out-recruited by Kentucky or that OSU shipped Le'Veon Bell to MSU via OSU private jet. Well, maybe the most laughable was that this thread was the most action the RCMB had ever seen.

    You all could at least compliment MSU for taking on the SoS we have in an effort to improve ourselves and the Big Ten, or winning back-to-back bowl games, or facility improvements. I know it isn't a lot from an OSU perspective, but it is something.

    Anyway, despite this thread, I usually root for OSU as my ever-burning hatred for UM causes me to like what UM does not like. I enjoyed the Tressel-Dantonio relationship and the fact that Dantonio has a championship ring because of it.

    Agree. And I would also agree that at first glance Meyer's comments sound arrogant but I really don't think that was his intention at all.

    I think what he's getting at are things like, for example, if you want to recruit TX you'd better find out which high school coaches in TX are well connected and hire them (this happens in the SEC fyi, think Gus Malzahn), or find a TX college position coach and pay 'em enough to join your staff. This is a far better option than taking your Midwest guy and assigning him to recruit TX, or skipping the recruiting hotbed of TX altogether.

    If Minny has a staff filled with guys who are good at teaching their position players but are only good at recruiting the state Minnesota, it should come as no surprise when they get nowhere with out of state recruits.

    sarasotabcg

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    SpartonRocky - I'd like to share my perspective on things with you. I was one of those guys that couldn't stand Urban Meyer before he was our coach. I wanted Luke Fickel to be given a couple of years to show what he could do once he had the reigns in his hands and could hire who he wanted to. There were plenty of 'Urban Crier' quips typed at my computer keyboard. Since he has been here, I have not seen anything from him that makes me think of him as anything but a straight shooter with a drive to win. He will go after your recruits, but he will let you know up front that he will do it.

    Tressel was a great recruiter, and he had a great brand to sell. Urban Meyer is on an entirely higher level. The recruiting for a normal Tressel year was to get 15 guys that anyone in the country would have liked to have gotten, and then fill up the rest of the class with die hard Buckeyes, legacy kids, and projects. I would put to you that every one of the guys Meyer recruited this year is a stud in his own right. I don't think one of the kids is a reach. This year we pulled 3 out of the top 10 kids from Texas. Prior to that we had pulled 3 of the top Texas kids over the last 16 years. Next year is really going to be the year that everyone takes a step back and says wtf?!? Next years class is going to be off the charts.

    Ohio State sells itself, but so does Meyer. We would not have had near this class without him. I can't remember exactly how many times I saw recruits say that they came to take a look at Ohio State just because of Meyer, but it was a lot. So it is in some part who the coach is. You can bring some guys to the midwest if you have a rock star coach. We need some more superstars in the B1G. Tressel would not have gotten Clark, Wilson, Johnson, or Bell in this class if he was still here. No way.

    I have no problem with the way the Spartans have been playing. They bring it on the field and have been one of the few B1G teams to take it to the SEC. I don't even have a problem with the way they are recruiting. You seem to be able to evaluate players that fit you system and get some guys that are underated. You guys always seem to be up for a good game with us. But, it seems like the rest of the B1G is on cruise control. OSU had been just as complacent. We were so cheap when it came to paying out money get get the best assistants.

    Well I'll sit back and wait for the drubbing.

    You can stay...

    Now with a PhD in Applied Llama Physics...

    Dr RedHotLlama

  • Chitown_Badger said...

    You guys beat MSU by 1

    And that was after "Sweet Lips" and her merry band of reffing idiots blew a pick 6 dead because Braxton was faking an injury. I meant to type "his" but it's Delaney so I think I'll leave it be lol

    Now with a PhD in Applied Llama Physics...

    Dr RedHotLlama

  • sarasotabcg said...

    Agree. And I would also agree that at first glance Meyer's comments sound arrogant but I really don't think that was his intention at all.

    I think what he's getting at are things like, for example, if you want to recruit TX you'd better find out which high school coaches in TX are well connected and hire them (this happens in the SEC fyi, think Gus Malzahn), or find a TX college position coach and pay 'em enough to join your staff. This is a far better option than taking your Midwest guy and assigning him to recruit TX, or skipping the recruiting hotbed of TX altogether.

    If Minny has a staff filled with guys who are good at teaching their position players but are only good at recruiting the state Minnesota, it should come as no surprise when they get nowhere with out of state recruits.

    Then he's a fucking arrogant stupid asshole if he thinks that other B1G coaches have no clue how the basics of recruiting work.

    Chitown_Badger

  • Dr RedHotLlama said...

    And that was after "Sweet Lips" and her merry band of reffing idiots blew a pick 6 dead because Braxton was faking an injury. I meant to type "his" but it's Delaney so I think I'll leave it be lol

    I'm just going to nitpick a tiny little bit.

    The pick 6 that was improperly called back was against Nebraska, a game which still should've ended when we stopped them on 4th down, but they were given a first down when their receiver kept our DB from intercepting the pass from behind, which of course resulted on a pass-interference penalty being thrown on MSU.

    The OSU game was where the OSU quarterback, clearly and in a completely unobstructed, in a near-upright stride, dropped the football, which we picked up and were easily returning to the endzone when it was improperly blown dead because the ref thought that a knee that was 2 feet from the ground was firmly planted in the turf.

    In both situations, they were pretty badly blown calls, but at least in the OSU game there was a lot of time left. These events are magnified because our offense was so bad we needed the defense to score, but when they did score, it was taken from them.

    Crazy Jim9

  • Dr RedHotLlama said...

    And that was after "Sweet Lips" and her merry band of reffing idiots blew a pick 6 dead because Braxton was faking an injury. I meant to type "his" but it's Delaney so I think I'll leave it be lol

    Ahh yes, chest thumping over a 1 point loss. Yet let's just forget the fact Ohio State ran it down MSU's throat to run out over 4 minutes on the clock and end the game. No passes, 6 runs, 3 first downs into MSU territory and then knelt to end it. People love to say "oh, the refs screwed us!" MSU still got a FG from that, so the difference was 4 points and OSU walked into MSU territory with the MSU defense knowing full well what was coming and couldn't do a damn thing about it. I am pretty sure the way things were going Ohio State could have easily gotten a FG to tie the game in the 4 minutes left.

    scott91575 ●

  • Crazy Jim9 said...

    I'm just going to nitpick a tiny little bit.

    The pick 6 that was improperly called back was against Nebraska, a game which still should've ended when we stopped them on 4th down, but they were given a first down when their receiver kept our DB from intercepting the pass from behind, which of course resulted on a pass-interference penalty being thrown on MSU.

    The OSU game was where the OSU quarterback, clearly and in a completely unobstructed, in a near-upright stride, dropped the football, which we picked up and were easily returning to the endzone when it was improperly blown dead because the ref thought that a knee that was 2 feet from the ground was firmly planted in the turf.

    In both situations, they were pretty badly blown calls, but at least in the OSU game there was a lot of time left. These events are magnified because our offense was so bad we needed the defense to score, but when they did score, it was taken from them.

    Just like most sports, I wouldn't be surprised if eventually something comes up where the refs are dirty in football too.

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    The Doctor ●

  • Jeez this thread is still going on.

    Jahlil Suggs

  • trigg03 said...

    other then 2011 - tOSU handles msu every year...please stop thinking that you are now all of a sudden a top tier program. msu always will be average at the very best...your recruiting classes are indicative to this as well...but...hey...dont take Meyers advice & continue settling to be scUM's little sister

    You have a selective memory. And its disappointing we don't play you assholes more often, and maybe even out the balance of home games........but hey , you live in probation filled fantasy world with a douchebag coach who will put you back in the toilet sooner than later.
    Now why are you here? Do you have a program in play on your laptop to signal if anything truthful and angling towards your sketchy athletic program is mentioned? Wait, don't tell me: are you wearing a red vested sweater , a Woody style baseball cap, and a Cooper girdle?

    bozorules

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Recruiting in General

    I do think recruiting is the heart of CFB. I also think recruiting judged solely by signing day rankings is NOT the heart of CFB.

    I absolutely accept that 4-stars do better than 2-stars on a wide-basis, and a 5-star is more likely to make the NFL than a 3-star. A class full of 4- and 5-stars should generally perform better than a class full of 3 and 2- stars.

    Where I run into problems with the "recruiting rankings are everything" crowd is the fact that there are so many prospects in a given year, that even if just 50% of 3-stars make it as good contributors at the AQ conference level, there's something like 300+ prospects that can make a difference from the 3-star ranks in every class. On the flip side, there are enough 4-star busts to comprise multiple 20 man classes built SOLELY from 4-star busts.

    Think about that. You could quite literally have a team of 3-stars that turns out to be nothing but NFL stud after NFL stud, while another program with nothing but 4-stars that plays like Eastern Michigan.

    Now that's the extreme in both cases, but it illustrates that there's enough error room that a program or two can way out or under-perform their respective recruiting rankings quite easily.

    Case in point: the 2 teams that were closet to knocking off tOSU this past year were MSU and Purdue. Neither fall into the top 4 in the conference in terms of traditional recruiting. Purdue's raw talent is probably bottom 2.

    Just some food for though; I'm going to turn in and no doubt read over all the responses during my morning coffee.

    I think the discussion has settled down a bit, and that's good. As I said in one of my earlier War and Peace-style posts, I'm down to discuss how a non-power recruits and how they can improve; I just don't want to read a bunch of cheap shots at a school that's slowly fighting its way back to respectability in the CFB landscape.

    Sure but have you ever taken a statistics course?

    tedfitz10

  • Chitown_Badger said...

    Then he's a fucking arrogant stupid asshole if he thinks that other B1G coaches have no clue how the basics of recruiting work.

    But they're not doing that, at least not extensively. Even Tressel didn't do that until he hired Drayton specifically to recruit FL and that didn't happen until Jan 2011.

    sarasotabcg

  • This may or may shed some light as to why #1 the SEC is dominant in football: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-02-07/sec-football-spending-highest-paid-coaches-assistants-budgets-profit-alabama

    And #2 why Michigan and OSU normally are near the top of the B1G in football: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bigten&id=50049

    I think Meyer knows what it takes (investment) in order to be good which is why Saban got the heck out of MSU in the first place. It takes $$$.

    xwing ●

  • Let me put it another way:

    How was Oregon able to build up its football program over the past 8 years?

    Was it because of its tradition rich football history and tropical weather?

    xwing ●

  • xwing said...

    This may or may shed some light as to why #1 the SEC is dominant in football: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-02-07/sec-football-spending-highest-paid-coaches-assistants-budgets-profit-alabama

    And #2 why Michigan and OSU normally are near the top of the B1G in football: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bigten&id=50049

    I think Meyer knows what it takes (investment) in order to be good which is why Saban got the heck out of MSU in the first place. It takes $$$.

    I've been saying this since the old board when iggy used to argue with me as to Saban only wanting a raise for himself. He wanted a full time staff at the Duff, he wanted athletic friendly majors. He wanted to be able to get more booboo thompsons and plax's in without begging and jumping through hoops. He wanted the football program to keep parking and concession money for recruiting. He got nothing and said his famous " we can't compete with ..,," as a last eff you to mcphearson and Lou ann. She only changed AFTER John L btw.

    We're much better off now and when the north end of the stadium is done we'll be better. But we are still playing catch up.

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    DWags ●

  • As an OSU fan i dont believe he is trying to poach anyones recruits, hes just trying to make the conference better as a whole so the SEC doesnt WIN THE LAST 6 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS

    gratzy18

  • gratzy18 said...

    As an OSU fan i dont believe he is trying to poach anyones recruits, hes just trying to make the conference better as a whole so the SEC doesnt WIN THE LAST 6 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS

    Pick another school to be a fan of. Urban ain't ever gonna win a NC at OSU. He was chased out of the sec by Saban and all roads lead there. You should just be a fan of Florida or Bama.

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    DWags ●

  • MSU played one game against Meyer and he doctored the game tapes. Then after the game sent a video of "eye gouging".
    Now this crap about lecturing the Big Ten coaches about how to recruit. This guy is a complete POS and OSU fans will hate him far more than us when he leaves them high and dry in a couple of years for "health reasons" or whatever bs he will come up with.

    Big Green Stick

  • DWags said...

    Pick another school to be a fan of. Urban ain't ever gonna win a NC at OSU. He was chased out of the sec by Saban and all roads lead there. You should just be a fan of Florida or Bama.

    You really believe that? What happens after he wins a Nati next year... whose the fool then?

    Jagstyle ●

  • Jagstyle said...

    You really believe that? What happens after he wins a Nati next year... whose the fool then?

    What happens when I shit gold bricks?
    Jesus, how many NC's has OSU won in the last 40 years? You live in fantasy land.

    This post was edited by DWags on 2/8/2013 at 11:00 PM

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