Online Now 1693

MSU Red Cedar Message Board

The largest and most active MSU Spartans board on the web

On this Board 1233
Record: 12118 (3/18/2012)

Online now 1714
Record: 10351 (3/11/2012)

Boards ▾

MSU Red Cedar Message Board

The largest and most active MSU Spartans board on the web

The Press Box

The place to ask questions to SpartanTailgate's recruiting experts

Duffy Daugherty Forum

"The Duff" is dedicated to Michigan State football recruiting discussion

Jack Breslin Forum

"The Bres" is dedicated to Michigan State basketball recruiting discussion

Wells Hall Off Topic Board

This is your pulpit to preach to the masses about everything from politics to religion

Marketplace & Ticket Exchange

The place to buy, trade or sell Michigan State tickets

Fantasy Sports Forum

For fantasy football and other fantasy sports discussion

Test/Feedback Forum

Reply

What moves would you like to see this offseason?

  • What moves do the Wings need to make this offseason? Do they need to even make any? I don't buy into the whole "Wings are too old, and the run is over" bs. I do think one thing needs to happen though. We need more of a physical presence. Bert and Abby are great but I miss having an enforcer like McCarty. I would love to see Holland go get a guy like Milan Lucic from Boston. He's a restricted free agent this summer. Also, I've heard people throw around the idea of Weber again, although I'm not sure how I feel about that after his punk move on Zetty. What do ya say?

    signature image signature image signature image

    Schlegz909

  • Goal scoring is a primary concern so Pairse is the first choice. Suter has been awesome and possibly the best skater in the series so he is number 2. Lastly Hudler, Holmstrom and Stuart out and Nyquist, Burnnstrom, and Smith in.

    signature image

    Eggy

  • I'd fucking love it if we got Weber. Hank, Weber, and ther est of the wings would get over it. I am assuming that Lidstrom retires so we are gonna need a big name D-man to shore up the defense.

    Snagging Parise would be totally rad, too.

    And everyone remember, the wings are not eliminated yet.

    All Ages Shows

  • Bettman fired.

    signature image

    Giant Moose

  • All Ages Shows said...

    I'd fucking love it if we got Weber. Hank, Weber, and ther est of the wings would get over it. I am assuming that Lidstrom retires so we are gonna need a big name D-man to shore up the defense.

    Snagging Parise would be totally rad, too.

    And everyone remember, the wings are not eliminated yet.

    I was thinking that Nick would retire too, but I'm not entirely sure now with the Winter Classic being in A2 this year. That could possibly be the thing to keep him one more year. I'd love to see him stay but at the same time, he does take up A LOT of cap space. Either way, I guess I'd be alright.

    signature image signature image signature image

    Schlegz909

  • Schlegz909 said...

    What moves do the Wings need to make this offseason? Do they need to even make any? I don't buy into the whole "Wings are too old, and the run is over" bs. I do think one thing needs to happen though. We need more of a physical presence. Bert and Abby are great but I miss having an enforcer like McCarty. I would love to see Holland go get a guy like Milan Lucic from Boston. He's a restricted free agent this summer. Also, I've heard people throw around the idea of Weber again, although I'm not sure how I feel about that after his punk move on Zetty. What do ya say?

    They should make moves like this...

    attachment

    Double_Spartan

  • Upgrades on Stuart and White. Smith may not be that next year but could well be Whites' equal. Too many defensive breakdowns in the last couple of months. And I am thinking that Lidstrom may be done.

    signature image

    Mighty Loadking

  • A triple-deke

    Jools Holland

  • Top 6 Forward plus a stud D-Man. Stuart is likely leaving to play for one of the Cali teams and Lids may not be back. I hope Smith can find success in Detroit, but the Wings need to bring in at least 1 top Defenseman (Suter, Weber, etc.).

    BoilerRoom

  • Eggy said...

    Goal scoring is a primary concern so Pairse is the first choice. Suter has been awesome and possibly the best skater in the series so he is number 2. Lastly Hudler, Holmstrom and Stuart out and Nyquist, Burnnstrom, and Smith in.

    Goal scoring would be nice, but I think they need more physicality all around.

    Offensively, the skill is there, but they need physicality as well. (The European players are either extremely hot or extremely cold because of this, i.e. Fillpula, Hudler and Mule)This season, the best lines have been the third and fourth lines because they're willing to do the dirty work and hustle for everything. It's one reason why losing Helm was so bad for this team.

    In the defensive end, they lose out on battles in the corners. In open ice, the d-men only poke check one-on-one and never play the body.

    GreenO

  • Schlegz909 said...

    I was thinking that Nick would retire too, but I'm not entirely sure now with the Winter Classic being in A2 this year. That could possibly be the thing to keep him one more year. I'd love to see him stay but at the same time, he does take up A LOT of cap space. Either way, I guess I'd be alright.

    I seriously doubt the Classic is a major factor. He's either up to the conditioning and mental preparation necessary or he isn't. A game in a football stadium probably wont have much bearing.

    Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.

    rookmsu

  • I'd like to get the w in the series and take care of the playoffs first if you don't mind. My god. How is this not considered a subtle GRR post????

    signature image signature image signature image

    KEARNDAWG_3

  • BoilerRoom said...

    Top 6 Forward plus a stud D-Man. Stuart is likely leaving to play for one of the Cali teams and Lids may not be back. I hope Smith can find success in Detroit, but the Wings need to bring in at least 1 top Defenseman (Suter, Weber, etc.).

    Good post. The Wings have a good chance of losing Stuart, Lids, Huds and Homer. If all go, priority 1 is to sign a top D man (hope it's Suter - I am not sure he is a top 5 D man but probably top 10). Then fill in the other defense position with Kindl/Smith. That keeps the D almost as good and saves a bit of money.

    Then take that extra money, combined with Homer's money and Hudler's money and use it to sign someone like Parise (ideally) or another scoring top 6 forward. Then use some of that cap space to sign a physical top 6 guy if possible. Doesn't have to be a great scorer just a physical wing that can play top 6 minutes and create some space for Fil & Z.

    Thus, in the ideal world you end up with:
    Pavs/Mule/Parise
    Z/Fil/physical top 6 guy
    Helm/Bert/Cleary
    Abs/Nyquist/Emmerton/Miller/Eaves/Mursak/etc.

    Kronner/Suter
    Big E/White
    Quincey/Smith/Kindl

    Michigan Hockey

  • This is my DREAM lineup (all acquisitions are UFAs at the end of this season)

    1st Line: Datsyuk, Nyquist, Parise
    2nd Line: Zetterberg, Franzen, Cleary
    3rd Line: Gaustad, Filppula, Bertuzzi
    4th Line: Helm, Abdelkader, Miller/Eaves

    (Hudler will probably want some ridiculous contract and we can use the money much better)

    D1: Lidstrom, White
    D2: Suter, Kronwall
    D3: Ericsson, Quincey/Smith

    (We all know Stuart is all but gone)

    G: Howard, MacDonald

    This post was edited by msubootstrap on 4/18/2012 at 4:16 PM

    signature image signature image signature image

    When from these scenes we wander, and twilight shadows fade, our memory still will linger, where light and shadows played.

    msubootstrap

  • bootstrap, I like your lineup, but I think Pahlsson is a more realistic acquisition than Gaustad. Nashville will probably try to reup with him.

    My move I would like to see made, aside from the obvious Suter and Parise, is to trade Franzen for something. That's a terrible contract, so we'd likely have to bite the bullet on it, but he's not worth his contract. And I don't see it getting much better. That's $5+mil for a player whose career high point total is like 60-65. Not a good signing.

    signature image

    dubie7006

  • msubootstrap said...

    This is my DREAM lineup (all acquisitions are UFAs at the end of this season)

    1st Line: Datsyuk, Nyquist, Parise 2nd Line: Zetterberg, Franzen, Cleary 3rd Line: Gaustad, Filppula, Bertuzzi 4th Line: Helm, Abdelkader, Miller/Eaves

    (Hudler will probably want some ridiculous contract and we can use the money much better)

    D1: Lidstrom, White D2: Suter, Kronwall D3: Ericsson, Quincey

    (We all know Stuart is all but gone)

    G: Howard, MacDonald

    First, does that work money wise? You drop Stuart but add Suter. That's at least $3Mil more. You drop Huds and Homer (I think roughly about 5Mil) but add Parise and Gaustad. I assume that another $5Mil. Not bad choices but not sure that doable.

    I also think the Wings need to get tougher in the top 6 and your top 6 is less physical. Your first line is pretty but I see people taking liberties with that line.
    Fil played his best hockey on the wing and is a legit top 6 guy so I don't like moving him down. Not sure if Cleary is still a top 6 guy, plus he is hurt often.
    Your D is fantastic but not sure the wings can afford it plus you leave Kindl and Smith out of the lineup and I think they are ready for the jump (in lesser roles). I can convince myself that BIgE is now a top-4 guy. Just my two cents.

    Michigan Hockey

  • Can we actually get someone like Lucic AND Suter/Weber?

    I'd prefer a defenseman if I had to choose.

    PPTPW51983 ●

  • Michigan Hockey said...

    First, does that work money wise? You drop Stuart but add Suter. That's at least $3Mil more. You drop Huds and Homer (I think roughly about 5Mil) but add Parise and Gaustad. I assume that another $5Mil. Not bad choices but not sure that doable.

    I also think the Wings need to get tougher in the top 6 and your top 6 is less physical. Your first line is pretty but I see people taking liberties with that line. Fil played his best hockey on the wing and is a legit top 6 guy so I don't like moving him down. Not sure if Cleary is still a top 6 guy, plus he is hurt often. Your D is fantastic but not sure the wings can afford it plus you leave Kindl and Smith out of the lineup and I think they are ready for the jump (in lesser roles). I can convince myself that BIgE is now a top-4 guy. Just my two cents.

    I think it works out as long as you assume Nick takes a pay cut. From what I've heard, if Homer goes, so does Nick. So, if his lineup is sans Homer, it could likely also be sans Nick. That's less money. The Wings have about $6mil in the bank right now, plus you consider the cap is likely to go up, so that's probably enough if you're saying you're going to add about $8mil from today. I think it works.

    signature image

    dubie7006

  • Michigan Hockey said...

    First, does that work money wise? You drop Stuart but add Suter. That's at least $3Mil more. You drop Huds and Homer (I think roughly about 5Mil) but add Parise and Gaustad. I assume that another $5Mil. Not bad choices but not sure that doable.

    I also think the Wings need to get tougher in the top 6 and your top 6 is less physical. Your first line is pretty but I see people taking liberties with that line. Fil played his best hockey on the wing and is a legit top 6 guy so I don't like moving him down. Not sure if Cleary is still a top 6 guy, plus he is hurt often. Your D is fantastic but not sure the wings can afford it plus you leave Kindl and Smith out of the lineup and I think they are ready for the jump (in lesser roles). I can convince myself that BIgE is now a top-4 guy. Just my two cents.

    We already have insane cap room the drop of Hudler, Holmstrom, Stuart and possibly Lidstrom really opens things up. I have a feeling we will re-sign Brunnstrom on a 1-way Parise is the number one target followed by Suter at 1a, but he may not leave Trashville.

    This post was edited by Eggy on 4/18/2012 at 4:48 PM

    signature image

    Eggy

  • Eggy said...

    We already have insane cap room the drop of Hudler, Holmstrom, Stuart and possibly Lidstrom really opens things up. I have a feeling we will re-sign Brunnstrom on a 1-way and give him the bump along with Emmerton, Smith and Nyquist. Parise is the number one target followed by Suter at 1a, but he may not leave Trashville.

    FWIW, I have it on VERY good authority that Suter has stated he would like to play in Detroit.

    This post was edited by dubie7006 on 4/18/2012 at 4:38 PM

    signature image

    dubie7006

  • dubie7006 said...

    bootstrap, I like your lineup, but I think Pahlsson is a more realistic acquisition than Gaustad. Nashville will probably try to reup with him.

    My move I would like to see made, aside from the obvious Suter and Parise, is to trade Franzen for something. That's a terrible contract, so we'd likely have to bite the bullet on it, but he's not worth his contract. And I don't see it getting much better. That's $5+mil for a player whose career high point total is like 60-65. Not a good signing.

    Mule's cap hit is 3.95 per year. Who cares what the salary is? Yes Mule floats but you still get 29 goals for 3.95 (although it is long term). It's not a bad contract, we just hoped for more. I can find much, much worse production for guys making $4mil. I not opposed to trading Mule but I wouldn't do it to just dump him. Cleary is making 2.8 (12 goals). Legwand and Erat make the most on the Preds at 4.5 per year but each only had 19 goals.

    This post was edited by Michigan Hockey on 4/18/2012 at 4:43 PM

    Michigan Hockey

  • Nothing because Ken Holland is the best general manager in professional sports history he can't do anything wrong he's always right.

    RockyWeakSauce ●

  • Avengers, Dark Knight Rises, Prometheus

    PortlandSpartan

  • dubie7006 said...

    I think it works out as long as you assume Nick takes a pay cut. From what I've heard, if Homer goes, so does Nick. So, if his lineup is sans Homer, it could likely also be sans Nick. That's less money. The Wings have about $6mil in the bank right now, plus you consider the cap is likely to go up, so that's probably enough if you're saying you're going to add about $8mil from today. I think it works.

    That's very possible. But I dont see Nick going out like this. This team is flat and doesn't seem to care they are getting out played. I really hope we can land some big names and "reload" like we did before 2002. The same situation was being talked about that year if we should blow it up or not.

    signature image signature image signature image

    When from these scenes we wander, and twilight shadows fade, our memory still will linger, where light and shadows played.

    msubootstrap

  • So the Red Wings are projected to be about $20.8M (per Cap Geek) under next year's cap. Their Free Agents will be:

    Hudler: $2.875M
    Holmstrom: $1.875M
    Helm: $912K
    Abdelkader: $787K
    Conklin: $750K
    Lidstrom: $6.2M
    Stuart: $3.75M

    Assume they let Hudler, Holmstrom and Conklin (Macdonald is signed at $550K) walk and Stuart leaves for California.

    Sign Lidstrom for another year at $6.2M
    Sign Helm for $1.8M per year
    Sign Abby for $1M per year.

    That leaves them with about $12M to spend.

    Sign Suter for $5M (current salary is $3.5M but he's going to get a raise this offseason).
    Sign Parise for $6M (his current salary)
    Sign a physical forward like Brandon Prust for $1M.

    Stanley Cup! redwings

    BoilerRoom

Michigan State
247Sports
Features
Resources
Connect

247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports