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Which team(s) will seriously challenge our D this year?

  • By that, I mean an opposing team able to keep the game close due to their offense vis a vis an opposing team staying in the game by capitalizing on our offensive mistakes (e.g. INT ret for TD's, etc). Here's the schedule:

    Boise State Aug. 31 East Lansing, MI
    Central Michigan Sep. 8 Mount Pleasant, MI
    Notre Dame Sep. 15 East Lansing, MI
    Eastern Michigan Sep. 22 East Lansing, MI
    Ohio State Sep. 29 East Lansing, MI
    Indiana Oct. 6 Bloomington, Ind.
    Iowa Oct. 13 East Lansing, MI
    Michigan Oct. 20 Ann Arbor, MI
    Wisconsin Oct. 27 Madison, WI
    Nebraska Nov. 3 East Lansing, MI
    Northwestern Nov. 17 East Lansing, MI
    Minnesota Nov. 24 Minneapolis, MN

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by trash on 6/16/2012 at 8:46 AM

    trash

  • Well, Boise seems to have some sort of knack for winning Week 1 games that they're supposed to lose
    Notre Dame's been able to score 31 points on MSU the last two years despite mediocre at best QB play.
    You never know what O$U will do with Meyer running the offense down there.
    And Wisconsin still has Ball at running back

    DilMeister269

  • Boise's offense will take a HUGE step back. Wisconsin will be alright depending on O'Brien.

    mpcoan

  • Wisconsin, Notre Dame, and...Michigan.

    "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." - Mark Dantonio.

    JMSparty08

  • DilMeister269 said...

    Well, Boise seems to have some sort of knack for winning Week 1 games that they're supposed to lose Notre Dame's been able to score 31 points on MSU the last two years despite mediocre at best QB play. You never know what O$U will do with Meyer running the offense down there. And Wisconsin still has Ball at running back

    Boise is well coached, definitely an unknown in that regard. They'll be pumped for many reasons, among them the "no respect" gig.

    The south bend scoundrels - I don't see an O there that will challenge. Their D may make the plays to kep it close - but I'm looking for O's that will give the MSU D fits.

    Agree on O$U.

    Wisky - it'll take more than Ball IMO. Their new QB is no RW.

    trash

  • Eastern and our number one rival, Indiana.

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    craigcamp37

  • mpcoan said...

    Boise's offense will take a HUGE step back. Wisconsin will be alright depending on O'Brien.

    Agree but Peterson does a lot with 2/3 stars, just like coachd, and Moore is a huge loss. So it's really a ?? for me.

    trash

  • Nebraska seemed to challenge our defense last year so I think they will do it again.

    Big John Studd

  • JMSparty08 said...

    and...Michigan.

    I think this is more of possibility than I want it to be. upset

    trash

  • craigcamp37 said...

    Eastern and our number one rival, Indiana.

    Yeah - IU is a given. bow

    trash

  • Big John Studd said...

    Nebraska seemed to challenge our defense last year so I think they will do it again.

    I think last years game gave Nardog all the clues he needed to effectively defense re:Martinez, & co. - and the game is in EL. I don't see the Huskers O doing well.

    trash

  • The south bend scoundrels - I don't see an O there that will challenge. Their D may make the plays to kep it close - but I'm looking for O's that will give the MSU D fits.

    Wisky - it'll take more than Ball IMO. Their new QB is no RW.

    Unfortunately for MSU, Notre Dame and Wisconsin have averaged more points per game than any other team when playing the Spartans over the last three years. Wisconsin has averaged 33.75 points per game, while ND has averaged 31.67 points per game.

    DilMeister269

  • trash said...

    I think this is more of possibility than I want it to be. upset

    Well, they're not saying that the Michigan v. MSU game may decide the B1G for no reason.

    "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." - Mark Dantonio.

    JMSparty08

  • If Wisconsin can pass the ball. . . I'm worried about them because they are always going to have the big linemen and it will be a war up front during the rushing game. I really don't know how much the new QB adds to their overall offense. Michigan is the confusing game for me. . . in watching replays of last years game, Robinson missed so many receivers whether the rush was on or not. I'm confident we can stop their running game, but if he could ever complete a few passes it might be a different story. While I'm not a student of the game, the announcers were always talking about Robinson not setting his feet before throwing. Once our defensive rush really got going, and Robinson was rushing his passes the game was over. I guess my issue is whether Robinson has improved over the past year. . . if he is the same our defense will win.

    whittierspartan

  • Boise, scUM with shoelace, possibly O$U b/c of Urban, and wisky mostly b/c of Montee Ball.

    Hunter42MSU

  • Wisconsin is the only offense that actually concerns me. I don't know why people act like they had no offense before Russell Wilson. They were averaging 43 points a game with Scott Tolzien at QB, who was no special talent by any means.

    Nebraska gave us some problems last year, but I attribute that more to the timing in which we played them. However, Burkhead is a beast who will get his.

    Ohio State? I'll believe it when I see it. That defensive beatdown last year is still fresh in my mind.

    Michigan? See Ohio State.

    Boise State? Big unknown. First game of the year, so we could be a little rusty. Hell, we didn't look that great against Youngstown State last year, relatively speaking.

    Notre Dame? Never know. In that game, expect the unexpected.

    "RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog

    JEK

  • All of them. We're Michigan State, or didn't you get the memo?

    Sincerely,

    Just about about every fuckhead who isn't a student or alum

    Spartexaco

  • Boise
    ND
    @Wiscy
    Nebraska

    UM..hell no, what the hell games have you fools been watching the last 4 years. Our Defense matches up extremely well against UM. We could lose to UM but that would probably be because our O, not our D.

    OSU, doubt it. Our D bitched slapped them last year in Columbus and they have a new offense. We will hurt Brackston this year.

    SD Spartan

  • Aside from the obvious (Boise, ND, WI, UM) Minnesota is going to be a pain. Gray is a big dual threat (6'4 240) who's hard to bring down. May not have a ton of weapons, but they put up 24 in SS last year. It's their SR day as well.

    @UM is going to be tough, though Narduzzi seems to have the read option figured out. It'll be interesting to see if they go more pro-style this year. I also suspect that injuries are going to play a key role by the time the later games roll around (Iowa through Nebraska).

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Good call on Minnesota. Gray was an absolute beast in that game. I suspect we just got caught looking past Minnesota, and frankly, played flat and uninspired. Hopefully that doesn't happen this year.

    "RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog

    JEK

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Aside from the obvious (Boise, ND, WI, UM) Minnesota is going to be a pain. Gray is a big dual threat (6'4 240) who's hard to bring down. May not have a ton of weapons, but they put up 24 in SS last year. It's their SR day as well.

    @UM is going to be tough, though Narduzzi seems to have the read option figured out. It'll be interesting to see if they go more pro-style this year. I also suspect that injuries are going to play a key role by the time the later games roll around (Iowa through Nebraska).

    Just curious, how is UM going to obviously control the game from the Offensive side when they have been completely unable to do exactly that the last 4 years? (point totals 14,17,20,21)

    Also, a pro style set for UM would include a Run/Spread QB, small RBs and do they even have an experienced TE or Fullback? Not sure they can go there until Shoelace is gone, it's just not a fit for his game.

    This post was edited by SD Spartan on 6/16/2012 at 10:51 AM

    SD Spartan

  • SD Spartan said...

    Just curious, how is UM going to obviously control the game from the Offensive side when they have been completely unable to do exactly that the last 4 years? (point totals 14,17,20,21)

    Also, a pro style set for UM would include a Run/Spread QB, small RBs and do they even have an experienced TE or Fullback? Not sure they can go there until Shoelace is gone, it's just not a fit for his game.

    1) Past years mean nothing for the current year.

    2) Any team that makes you respect the run and the pass can challenge a defense. MSU has done a fantastic job of containing the run vs. UM during the last 4 game stretch, but State cannot afford to rest on their laurels (nor do I think they will). UM should average over 200 YPG on the ground once again, and if Shoelace improves as a passer (and he should, 3rd year starter, etc.) it'll be an offense to respect.

    3) I'm not saying that any of these O's will get the better of the D, just that they'll force the D to be on their toes.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Michi......wait, nevermind. lol

    The_Dude

  • JEK said...

    Good call on Minnesota. Gray was an absolute beast in that game. I suspect we just got caught looking past Minnesota, and frankly, played flat and uninspired. Hopefully that doesn't happen this year.

    I think the team was just worn out and beat-up. State was using their 3rd string STAR LB (both Norman and Gardiner went down), 2nd string CB (Lippett, who gave up that 67 yard TD catch-and-run in the 1st Q that really set the tone) and 3rd string C (Ruhland got the start because Jackson was banged up). It was the game after the UM-WI-@Nebraska triumvirate of fun.

    I think the '11 class is going to play a key role this year, because injuries are bound to happen. Having a 'fresh' group of RS FR, who have at least a full year of conditioning under their belt should keep the bottom from falling out.

    It's also why I'm worried about the Iowa - Nebraska stretch. Those are games 7, 8, 9 and 10 and also represent 10 straight weeks of football for MSU. The bye is after the Nebraska game. That's a long time to go without rest, and MSU faces all 6 of their pre-season top 25 opponents during those first 10 games, plus an always-dangerous Iowa team. We saw MSU struggle at home vs. a bad Minny team just this past year. It's going to take better depth (which I think there is, I just don't know how much better) to have an MSU squad up to the physical challenge of stopping the option in Game 10.

    The only saving grace is that the first 7 games set up for the team to get some rest; Boise, @CMU, ND, EMU, tOSU, @IU, Iowa. Basically "Tough, easy, Tough, easy, Tough, easy, Semi-tough", then @UM, @WI, Nebraska. Ideally, MSU is able to rest some guys against EMU and IU. Probably wishful thinking to go up on Iowa 31-7 again, but it'd help if that game was over by the 4th Q.

    Sorry for the excessively long post. I don't think MSU is going to have a physical problem with Minny; it's the final game of the year, and though a road game, the 2 weeks prior are BYE and Northwestern at home for SR day.

    Actually, should MSU do what they did last year, and lock up a CCG spot early, they should be in great shape for the CCG, as the last 3 weeks of the season (@Minny, preceded by Northwester and the bye) are about as good as you can hope for with regards to getting a team healthy.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    1) Past years mean nothing for the current year.

    2) Any team that makes you respect the run and the pass can challenge a defense. MSU has done a fantastic job of containing the run vs. UM during the last 4 game stretch, but State cannot afford to rest on their laurels (nor do I think they will). UM should average over 200 YPG on the ground once again, and if Shoelace improves as a passer (and he should, 3rd year starter, etc.) it'll be an offense to respect.

    3) I'm not saying that any of these O's will get the better of the D, just that they'll force the D to be on their toes.

    Rocky, what's the worst case scenario if the only weakness of the defense is the DTs? Let's say that every other position is great, but the DTs are getting dominated. What would be the defense's ceiling? This would obviously hurt us against power running teams, but how much of an impact would it have against offenses like UM or OSU?

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