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Why the Campaign against Obesity is Failing

  • Tom Brokaw said...

    I think it's time for the medical lobby to start paying the media to push Gastric Bypass Surgery again. That actually seemed to improve the lives of a lot of older people I know.

    The window to be a candidate for gastric bypass is smaller than you think (co-morbid medical conditions, BMI, etc...). Also, most people on gastric bypass eventually start gaining back weight. I know of at least 2 people who have returned to their total previous weight after having it.

    It's not a cure-all. I'd look more into the emerging irisin breakthroughs for the future of obesity treatment.

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature10777.html

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  • RaptorCaptor said...

    Eating less and moving around is the answer. If you think there is some magic plan there isn't. I weighed 25 lbs more than I do now. I cut portions of the same stuff in about half and started lifting and running. WHOA! The weight is gone.

    You don't need stupid diets.

    Pretty amazing, right? If you eat less and exercise more you lose weight. Who woulda thunk it?

    The_Dude

  • So instead of my microwave meals I eat everyday that are suppose to be "healthy" I should take an extra 5 mins to make a nice sangwich? I guess I can try, doesn't taste as good though.

    torq214

  • GoHard24 said...

    Brady Hoke has to share some of the blame for this.

    He's actually the solution. If Hoke continues at his current voracity scientists project a global food shortage by 2015.

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  • As long as fast food and alcohol exists, obesity will always be around.

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • The_Dude said...

    Pretty amazing, right? If you eat less and exercise more you lose weight. Who woulda thunk it?

    Did you even read the fucking article before making stupid shit responses that the article laughs at? Read it then come back with something a little smarter than "eat less, exercise more".

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  • badgerman27 said...

    The culture is so obsessed with wanting everything quickly and easily, everyone is eating processed, pre-packaged foods. You want to lose weight? Eat whole foods. Make things from scratch. It takes longer, but it's so much healthier.

    Just an example, but I like Red Beans and Rice, with some kielbasa and shrimp mixed in. Instead of using a box from Zatarain's or some other pre-packaged stuff, I make my own from raw ingredients.

    Mac and Cheese? Make my own. Buy my bread from a small, local baker rather than buying mass produced junk that has too many chemicals in it.

    It must be a pain un the ass making your own kielbasa

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  • There's some really good stuff posted in here. I think there's some good points to be made about a lot of it, and I don't disparage anything anyone has offered thus far. I want to share a few things I observed as a kid growing up with a mother and absent father who were both grossly obese, and my efforts to eschew that seemingly genetic "destiny."

    I saw that part of my famliy and hated it. I loved sports and being active, so when I realized as a teen in the 70's that this was a way to avoid this, I tried out for teams, and ran, cycled, worked, kept active. Little did I truly know that this was the right path to be on until I learned a few things from a learned friend who knows much more about this than I know.

    When you are young... say 21 or 22 years old or so and younger... the path of activity you take SETS your metabolism for life. You may agree or disagree with me, but I have seen enough examples on both sides of the equation to know there is merit in this.

    Apparently I set my metabolism quite high, and have not had to deal with weight issues until I'm now in my late 40's, and then it's just the 10 to 15 pounds or so in the winter and shedding that in the spring.

    I see so many kids now that are gelatinous blobs. I see their gelatinous parents. We all see how much of our workforce has moved away from actually doing the work to sitting in a cube. We know how portion sizes are through the roof... especially at restaurants, but now seemingly at home too since what I see from friends I visit is platefuls beyond what we would ever need. We know how parents just hand over the game controllers to the kid so they can SIT in front of the TV playing some video game. We know how the forces of job demand wear down parents to compel them to go to McDonald's and other places like that out of sheer weary. We realize the foods we eat are processed, or pumped full of steroids in the hopes of making the farmer a profit, and how that might impact the whole scenario we're discussing.

    We understand all of that.

    But what happened to telling the kids, "go out and play?" What happened to cooking wholesome and balanced meals? What happened to setting an example as an adult to maintain your health, including your weight, so the kids know what to do for themselves?

    *sigh*

    I don't have a lot of answers with my post here, just a lot of questions it seems. But I do see some things in this world that just don't make sense. We wonder how to control obesity, but we give people too much to eat and they wander back to their cubicles only to be leashed to their phones and computers for the next 4 to 5 hours after that over-sized lunch? And while they're there, they munch comfort food because of the job stress, only to go home to eat a full sized dinner? And then sit on a couch watching Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy before packing the kids off to bed who have been gaming on the basement TV all day after drinking too much pop and eating too many munchies?

    And we wonder how to solve this?

    It seems too simple to me.

    Sorry, not trying to be judgmental. Just pointing out what seems a little obvious, and appreciating at the same time the matter that might cause the issue we're discussing.

    Best to all.

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  • badgerman27 said...

    The culture is so obsessed with wanting everything quickly and easily, everyone is eating processed, pre-packaged foods. You want to lose weight? Eat whole foods. Make things from scratch. It takes longer, but it's so much healthier.

    ^^^This.

    Not only that, it is very difficult, unless you live in a big city, to get relatively healthy food on the go in the US. And please no one mention Panera Bread, stuff tastes like cardboard.

    I'll also add that I am amazed at how so many young people drink so called 'sports drinks' or fruit juices that are loaded with sugar. I think a lot of parents think these are healthy.

    This post was edited by spartanMF on 5/9/2012 at 10:50 PM

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  • Archangel said...

    There's some really good stuff posted in here. I think there's some good points to be made about a lot of it, and I don't disparage anything anyone has offered thus far. I want to share a few things I observed as a kid growing up with a mother and absent father who were both grossly obese, and my efforts to eschew that seemingly genetic "destiny."

    I saw that part of my famliy and hated it. I loved sports and being active, so when I realized as a teen in the 70's that this was a way to avoid this, I tried out for teams, and ran, cycled, worked, kept active. Little did I truly know that this was the right path to be on until I learned a few things from a learned friend who knows much more about this than I know.

    When you are young... say 21 or 22 years old or so and younger... the path of activity you take SETS your metabolism for life. You may agree or disagree with me, but I have seen enough examples on both sides of the equation to know there is merit in this.

    Apparently I set my metabolism quite high, and have not had to deal with weight issues until I'm now in my late 40's, and then it's just the 10 to 15 pounds or so in the winter and shedding that in the spring.

    I see so many kids now that are gelatinous blobs. I see their gelatinous parents. We all see how much of our workforce has moved away from actually doing the work to sitting in a cube. We know how portion sizes are through the roof... especially at restaurants, but now seemingly at home too since what I see from friends I visit is platefuls beyond what we would ever need. We know how parents just hand over the game controllers to the kid so they can SIT in front of the TV playing some video game. We know how the forces of job demand wear down parents to compel them to go to McDonald's and other places like that out of sheer weary. We realize the foods we eat are processed, or pumped full of steroids in the hopes of making the farmer a profit, and how that might impact the whole scenario we're discussing.

    We understand all of that.

    But what happened to telling the kids, "go out and play?" What happened to cooking wholesome and balanced meals? What happened to setting an example as an adult to maintain your health, including your weight, so the kids know what to do for themselves?

    *sigh*

    I don't have a lot of answers with my post here, just a lot of questions it seems. But I do see some things in this world that just don't make sense. We wonder how to control obesity, but we give people too much to eat and they wander back to their cubicles only to be leashed to their phones and computers for the next 4 to 5 hours after that over-sized lunch? And while they're there, they munch comfort food because of the job stress, only to go home to eat a full sized dinner? And then sit on a couch watching Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy before packing the kids off to bed who have been gaming on the basement TV all day after drinking too much pop and eating too many munchies?

    And we wonder how to solve this?

    It seems too simple to me.

    Sorry, not trying to be judgmental. Just pointing out what seems a little obvious, and appreciating at the same time the matter that might cause the issue we're discussing.

    Best to all.

    Lot of it is cultural, especially with families. I know a family that struggles with weight. The mom works until 5. Dad commutes an hour, home around 6:30. She runs the kids, sometimes with family help, to dance or sports. She tries to make dinners for the week in advance, but sometimes can't, and too often they get dinners out. With work schedules and the near-constant availability of high calorie food, it is a daily battle that can be really hard to win consistently.

    Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.

    rookmsu

  • rookmsu said...

    Lot of it is cultural, especially with families. I know a family that struggles with weight. The mom works until 5. Dad commutes an hour, home around 6:30. She runs the kids, sometimes with family help, to dance or sports. She tries to make dinners for the week in advance, but sometimes can't, and too often they get dinners out. With work schedules and the near-constant availability of high calorie food, it is a daily battle that can be really hard to win consistently.

    I appreciate what you're sharing, and understand completely. Thank you.

    I grew up in a family situation not too dissimilar to that except for the absentee dad after age 7. Still meeting with the dad weekly for several years whose family who were Italian, and HUGE meals on the occasions we met.

    I know about the cultural matters and was considering that while originally posting, but just didn't convey that accordingly. My apology for not doing so in an effort to to accommodate that concern.

    Still, there is the matter I address about being healthy and conveying that to your kids. Still the matter of being healthy for yourself and setting an example. Still the matter of being active, especially while young.

    Cultural matters do matter, and I suspect it may have been an impact on my parents. But one can overcome that with proper education or motivation. I am a living example of that.

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  • rookmsu said...

    Lot of it is cultural, especially with families. I know a family that struggles with weight. The mom works until 5. Dad commutes an hour, home around 6:30. She runs the kids, sometimes with family help, to dance or sports. She tries to make dinners for the week in advance, but sometimes can't, and too often they get dinners out. With work schedules and the near-constant availability of high calorie food, it is a daily battle that can be really hard to win consistently.

    Exactly. I drank pop every day as a kid. Hell, I would go outside and play basketball and soccer for hours and then go inside and chug Pepsi. I enjoyed being active and never was in really bad shape until MSU when I was drinking and eating shit food all the time. I knew I was at a point when I would need to either start losing weight or be a real fat ass. So I buckled down and lost 30-plus pounds.

    I was at the gym earlier and some fat woman (like 300-plus pounder) was going soooo slow on one of the leg machines, all while texting her probably fat friend. People like that need a weight coach. Some people just need the motivation too.

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • I walk a mile+ every day. Seems to work for me.

    Teddy Brewster

  • The company I work for runs a program called PreventObesity.net which is a communications networking tool to help people working to prevent childhood obesity connect with each other. We're not a diet or exercise site, but instead a communications resource. We are kinda like a LinkedIn for people who are creating healthy environments and policies for kids (ie: healthy school lunches, food marketing reform, walkable communities). We call these people Leaders and provide free tools and services to help them do their work better. We also run campaigns to help get our network to take part in issues like submitting signatures and comments to help support healthy policies. While we aren't the content and issue experts, we're the communications experts helping those who are. I'm pretty proud of the work the people in our network are doing and definitely think some of the people in this thread would appreciate the information on the site. I was just at a conference this week and there are great groups doing amazing work in the field. We have over 100,000 people registered with us across the country.

    We're working with the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, whose mission is to reverse childhood obesity by 2015. It's a lofty goal, but having people work together and share resources will help the movement.

    PreventObesity.net | Connect. Organize. Lead.

    http://preventobesity.net

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  • Cosmo_Kramer said...

    I was at the gym earlier and some fat woman (like 300-plus pounder) was going soooo slow on one of the leg machines, all while texting her probably fat friend.

    lol

    xsanguine

  • I never work out but I eat healthy and I actually lost 5-10lbs. I'm 6 foot, 175 now. Definitely proportional.

    deltawing

  • Archangel said...

    There's some really good stuff posted in here. I think there's some good points to be made about a lot of it, and I don't disparage anything anyone has offered thus far. I want to share a few things I observed as a kid growing up with a mother and absent father who were both grossly obese, and my efforts to eschew that seemingly genetic "destiny."

    The book "The Primal Blue Print" has a really good path for exercise that you probably inadvertently followed to a T growing up. Some things I find interesting are the way people sort of say "oh, well, my genes... they're the reason I'm fat. Can't fight nature. No reason NOT to down this twinkee"

    Mark Sisson talks a lot about genetic expression and that... if genes were the case (considering genes take dozens of generations to have even the slightest meaningful mutations) then we'd have seen obesity as common today in the pre-agricultural societies of man. No, its not genes, its what you eat. Its also how you live. Genes do not necessarily just turn on and off for no real reason, they react to their environment. When you eat a lot of sugar it turns on the genes that cause insulin resistance in a man's belly and causes fat to more readily be stored there, same with a woman's ass and thighs.

    What Sisson talks about is the genetic expression of exercise, that you turn on all kinds of good things with your body when you do three kinds of work: the first two being short, sprint type workouts (this can be literal sprinting, or a short duration, high intensity heavy lifting) and very slow and methodical work... not necessarily jogging, think walking. He pulls it into an anthropology perspective by pointing out that our paleolithic ancestors weren't going to jog 20 miles a week just for shits and giggles, but because they were hunter gatherers, they would walk... a lot. Occasionally, for hunting and such they would sprint, may chuck a heavy rock... but never for a long duration. The last type of work Sisson talks about? Play. He prescribes a weekly workout that looks like this:

    1 short duration heavy lifting session, 10 minutes
    1 longer duration heavy lifting/sprinting session, 20-25 minutes
    several hour long slow paced sessions, if not daily. This could be a light light jog or just walking.
    1 or more "play sessions" - basketball, ultimate frisbee, etc.

    He goes into great detail about the types of genes that get triggered to "fire" when exposed to these things, and it won't turn on bad cortisol hormones and such by following it. So, to me, it sounds like that was a pretty typical week of activity for you as a kid, and it probably has a lot to do with your current non-obese state today.

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  • Portion control.

    Portion control.

    Portion control.

    A good example. We visit my overweight nieces who are being fed dinner by their overweight mother. Momma plops down a heaping pile of spaghetti big enough to feed a lumberjack. I was shocked - I'm not joking when I say that portion was enough to feed TWO of my kids. And yes, my kids are skinny as a rail.

    They have a term for that - gluttony.

    Dicks Fake Eye20793

  • Dick's Fake Eye said...

    Portion control.

    Portion control.

    Portion control.

    A good example. We visit my overweight nieces who are being fed dinner by their overweight mother. Momma plops down a heaping pile of spaghetti big enough to feed a lumberjack. I was shocked - I'm not joking when I say that portion was enough to feed TWO of my kids. And yes, my kids are skinny as a rail.

    They have a term for that - gluttony.

    again, you read the article and the idea is not necessarily portion control, but portions of what...

    eat a whole bunch of saccharides, yes, you will get fat. Replace those calories by proteins, fats, and veggies. Not so much.

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  • A good article, but over-simplified.

    I would be interested in the author's explanation as to why countries- other than the US- that traditionally eat a lot of pasta, rice, and other foods with simple sugars in it are not anywhere near as fat as we are.

    If we can trick Coach Krzyzewski into saying his own name backwards, perhaps he will be pushed back to the fifth dimension

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  • Trevor Barnes said...

    Losing weight is easy. Keeping weight off is the hard part.

    For me it was the exact opposite. It was hard to take off, it's been easy to keep off.

    You could probably make a case for this being an inverse relationship. The easier/faster it is to take off, the harder it is to keep off, because you haven't had time to teach yourself new habits; you've been in diet mode.

    MSURed

  • What Obesity crisis?

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    again, you read the article and the idea is not necessarily portion control, but portions of what...

    eat a whole bunch of saccharides, yes, you will get fat. Replace those calories by proteins, fats, and veggies. Not so much.

    One of the things that happens when you replace junk with proteins, veggies, and healthy fats is that you will feel full longer on less, and you will ultimately eat less.

    I've done weight watchers before and you can cut 15 pounds pretty easy, that second phase is a bit tougher, but what it will do is force you to give up some daily bad habits for weekly ones, and eventually drop some of them altogether.

    I do think portion size is a big problem, mostly because people today eat so much more in restaurants we have distorted view of it even when we eat at home. When I was a kid we probably ate out at fish fries 3-4 times during lent, occassionally went to breakfast on Sunday's after church, and went out to dinner/lunch once or twice while on vacation (we camped out and made most meals). Today people eat out or get carry out more in a month then we did in a year. I think most people would be shocked as to how much is a serving of chicken, potatos, and a vegetable on a plate because their frame of reference is so far off by restaurant meals. Throw in how most restaurant food is cooked-even what may appear as a healthy chicken and vegetable dish often involves copious amounts of butter, oil and salt to achieve the right flavor-and you have a problem.

    We also snack too much between meals, today's parent can't go anywhere without some food for the kids, the shortest trip across town mandates, apparently, at least a bag of goldfish or cheerios. So I don't think we properly account for all the calories people take in during the day from junk food between meals.

    vator88

  • deltawing said...

    I never work out but I eat healthy and I actually lost 5-10lbs. I'm 6 foot, 175 now. Definitely proportional.

    Working out is great for overall health. Strictly losing weight very much depends on what one consumes.

    Of course, you can be skinny and unhealthy.

    spartanMF

  • Ok so I read the article and it brings up a question I've had for a while.

    What exactly are examples of "refined grains?" I keep hearing that refined sugars and grains are bad. Ok, well it's easy to look at nutritional facts and see how much sugar is in something. What should I be looking at in the ingredients to see if a food has refined grains?

    Ol Drippy21167