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  • TeamCaptainJohn said...

    false.

    if you touch a guy while hes shootin in soccer you are getting red card unless you are clearly blockin the ball (just like in BBall)...what goes on in the paint between big guys is WAY more physical than a soccer match

    the only physicality in soccer is dudes sliding into each other NNTAWWT

    Incorrect. I can shoulder you to the ground while you're shooting in soccer and it's perfectly legal, because the contact was shoulder to shoulder. If I used 'excessive force' and ran into you, it is foul. But if we were shoulder to shoulder leading up to it, I can lean you over and onto the ground and no foul.

    Please research a sport more than Jim Rome's latest rant about it before commenting on it.

    Beardy

  • Beardy said...

    Incorrect. I can shoulder you to the ground while you're shooting in soccer and it's perfectly legal, because the contact was shoulder to shoulder. If I used 'excessive force' and ran into you, it is foul. But if we were shoulder to shoulder leading up to it, I can lean you over and onto the ground and no foul.

    Please research a sport more than Jim Rome's latest rant about it before commenting on it.

    This man (basically) knows what he's talking about. You can't body check someone, so the majority of the time someone goes to ground, it is a foul. Definitely not a red card though

    Que debate about flopping at first sign of contact.

    Snowy Spartan

  • JackTa1kThai said...

    Sounds like it would be similar to the NFL.

    The committee recommended that coaches can request a monitor review by officials at any time during a game. An example would be a team being credited for a two-point field goal, when the coach believes the shot was a three-point basket. If the replay shows that the coach was wrong, that team is charged a timeout. If the team has no more timeouts, the team is assessed a technical foul for taking too many timeouts.

    That's what I thought...it reminded me of when the Chargers were playing Oakland and the Chargers kicked a field goal, but was only rewarded two points. The coaches believed they should have been rewarded 3 points and asked the ref to review the video. Refs came back and awarded 3 instead of 2.

    tVargMan Prime

  • DayWalker said...

    when you can explain the need for the 10 second call in the mens game. it serves no purpose, there is a shot clock ,that should be the only motivation a team needs to get the ball up.

    I think the 10 second rule is fine but what they really need to do is get rid of the 5 second closely guarded rule and move the shot clock to 30 seconds.

    Buffalo Spartan ●

  • Snowy Spartan said...

    This man (basically) knows what he's talking about. You can't body check someone, so the majority of the time someone goes to ground, it is a foul. Definitely not a red card though

    Que debate about flopping at first sign of contact.

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    ashamanAJSV ●

  • Final Countdown said...

    All they need is for refs to have the discretion to call techs for obvious flops (and for them to actually use that discretion to whistle it). There are ridiculous flops that are 100% acting (see: Paulus, Greg). This is a man's game... not a soccer match.

    As much as flopping in soccer is annoying, at least they can call the flop. Agree that they should call flopping in hoops, in fact make it a technical for unsportsman like play.

    elf on the shelf is watching you!

    kegel the elf ●

  • The "charge" I really hate more than anything else is when a guy drives the lane and passes the ball off only to have some pussy jump in front of him and flop like he was shot by a Navy SEAL and an offensive foul is called. As far as I'm concerned that should be a blocking or flopping foul or just shouldn't be called anything at all.

    I applaud them looking to get control of this flopping BS. Its LONG overdue.

    Posting member of tRCMB since 1997. It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Spartan!!!!

    Raytooth Morgan

  • Buffalo Spartan said...

    I think the 10 second rule is fine but what they really need to do is get rid of the 5 second closely guarded rule and move the shot clock to 30 seconds.

    Disagree,

    I like the longer possessions in college basketball. I enjoy up-tempo basketball as much as the next fellow, but I also enjoy that some teams focus on controlling the clock. It brings a different dynamic that separates College from the Pro's.
    Also, the 5 second closely guarded is also meant to speed up the action of the game. It also rewards defense, again a difference between NCAA and the Pro level.

    If it wasnt for all the little cheats, and flops - I would actually enjoy flopdger basketball.

    Im glad to see they may implement the restricted paint area. Being a big man, the charge is one of the best calls. It turns momentum on a dime. It throws guards and offensive bigs off their game when they dont feel they can really get to the hoop after they have been called for one.
    When done properly it takes a lot of dedication and smart thinking to get to the right spot, at the right time and hold it knowing you might be taking a shot to the "boys".

    WE {Izzo} ARE {CoachD} ONE {spartan} My spartan is: #23 Draymond Green.

    JonEintheD

  • I have no problem with that rule. I think they should draw a 4 foot semi circle around the rim, any body contact from offense or defense in that circle should be ignored. If you slap an arm or something like that, it should be a foul, but for both offense and defense body contact should be ignored. (unless you lower a shoulder or do anything flagrant.) going up to block a shot and getting the guys body shouldn't be called either. If you can't take the contact, stay the hell out of there.

    This post was edited by DWags on 5/5/2011 at 9:41 PM

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    DWags ●

  • kegel the elf said...

    As much as flopping in soccer is annoying, at least they can call the flop. Agree that they should call flopping in hoops, in fact make it a technical for unsportsman like play.

    It is called in hockey as well.

    GarciaMarquez

  • TeamCaptainJohn said...

    false.

    if you touch a guy while hes shootin in soccer you are getting red card unless you are clearly blockin the ball (just like in BBall)...what goes on in the paint between big guys is WAY more physical than a soccer match

    the only physicality in soccer is dudes sliding into each other NNTAWWT

    You've obviously never played soccer...

    locd32 ●

  • This rule change is overdue. I'm tired of rewarding the bullshit antics of inferior athletes... A player who is athletic enough to beat a player off the dribble and rise to the rim SHOULD have an advantage over a slow, redheaded Wisconsin dairy farmer. Besides, let's call flopping what it really is...undercutting. You do that shit on the playground and you go home with a nose broken.

    verde

  • Guy Incognito said...

    Please just shorten the shot clock. pray

    Terrible idea. The longer shot clock is something I definitely prefer about the college game.

    Watch an Izzo team run a set, get nothing out of it, set it up again, run a completely different set and get an open basket.

    Give them a 24 second shot clock and you'll see way more contested threes that have not chance of going in.

    UsedToBeBrad ●

  • UsedToBeBrad said...

    Terrible idea. The longer shot clock is something I definitely prefer about the college game.

    Watch an Izzo team run a set, get nothing out of it, set it up again, run a completely different set and get an open basket.

    Give them a 24 second shot clock and you'll see way more contested threes that have not chance of going in.

    Do you like watching the Wisconsins of the world bleed the clock to under 10 practically every possession?

    I get what your saying and I like seeing that too but the teams that purposely bleed the clock down just for the sake of shortening the game ruin it.

    Buffalo Spartan ●

  • locd32 said...

    You've obviously never played soccer...

    I'm sorry, but neither are contact sports. This is a stupid and pointless argument. Equally as stupid is the idea of getting rid of the charge. The best option is definitely making flopping a call and/or having the semicircle.

    CPT Hindsight

  • Buffalo Spartan said...

    Do you like watching the Wisconsins of the world bleed the clock to under 10 practically every possession?

    I get what your saying and I like seeing that too but the teams that purposely bleed the clock down just for the sake of shortening the game ruin it.

    How so?

    It's a strategy thats implemented to control the pace of the game.
    Sometimes those slower teams will lull the faster uptempo pace teams to sleep. The shot they work for usually will enable them to get back on defense and prevent the offensive break out. Then those teams start running into trouble when they actually have to run a half court game.

    If you were to liken it to chess - you're looking to mate your opponent in 8 moves or less, meanwhile they are playing for a 40 move checkmate.

    Thats something that these coaches like to play, and think about that teams like Northwestern who KNOW they aren't going to get the best athletes because of their prized academic standards, they need to be able to compete with teams that are faster paced. How do they do that? They become the team that dictates the pace.

    you dont have to like the slow game, but you have to appreciate it's place in CBB.
    If not - just continue watching the NBA, where there is no loyalty to a team, players just play for money, disinterested in playing defense, dont want to get hurt so are unwilling to sacrifice themselves. The season is longer, and is available on TNT now.

    WE {Izzo} ARE {CoachD} ONE {spartan} My spartan is: #23 Draymond Green.

    JonEintheD

  • CPT Hindsight said...

    I'm sorry, but neither are contact sports. This is a stupid and pointless argument. Equally as stupid is the idea of getting rid of the charge. The best option is definitely making flopping a call and/or having the semicircle.

    I never said soccer was a contact sport. I simply pointed out that basketball is the lowest contact sport that doesn't limit the area the offense can take up to lines.

    Beardy

  • JonEintheD said...

    How so?

    It's a strategy thats implemented to control the pace of the game. Sometimes those slower teams will lull the faster uptempo pace teams to sleep. The shot they work for usually will enable them to get back on defense and prevent the offensive break out. Then those teams start running into trouble when they actually have to run a half court game.

    If you were to liken it to chess - you're looking to mate your opponent in 8 moves or less, meanwhile they are playing for a 40 move checkmate.

    Thats something that these coaches like to play, and think about that teams like Northwestern who KNOW they aren't going to get the best athletes because of their prized academic standards, they need to be able to compete with teams that are faster paced. How do they do that? They become the team that dictates the pace.

    you dont have to like the slow game, but you have to appreciate it's place in CBB. If not - just continue watching the NBA, where there is no loyalty to a team, players just play for money, disinterested in playing defense, dont want to get hurt so are unwilling to sacrifice themselves. The season is longer, and is available on TNT now.

    I understand the strategy I just think it's terrible basketball to watch but that's just like, my opinion dude.

    Buffalo Spartan ●

  • I'm surprised everyone is wanting the college game to be more like the NBA. Do you guys watch the NBA? Most games it just comes down to pick and roll or the 2 or 3 fastest guys careening into the lane, with very little risk of an offensive foul, hoping they get to go to the free throw line. If you can distill the NBA down to highlights, it's amazing, but do you really enjoy watching D-Wade driving the lane and going to the stripe over and over and over? College ball is so much better, even with the talent being lower.

    All the NCAA really needs is better refs and maybe a flopping foul. Being able to step in for a legal, unembellished charge keeps the game balanced, forcing more passing and team play.

    mark_v

  • this clears up blanch's foul

    This post was edited by alpha2win on 5/5/2011 at 2:57 PM

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  • mark_v said...

    I'm surprised everyone is wanting the college game to be more like the NBA. Do you guys watch the NBA? Most games it just comes down to pick and roll or the 2 or 3 fastest guys careening into the lane, with very little risk of an offensive foul, hoping they get to go to the free throw line. If you can distill the NBA down to highlights, it's amazing, but do you really enjoy watching D-Wade driving the lane and going to the stripe over and over and over? College ball is so much better, even with the talent being lower.

    All the NCAA really needs is better refs and maybe a flopping foul. Being able to step in for a legal, unembellished charge keeps the game balanced, forcing more passing and team play.

    I would like to see the semi circle instituted but agree with you on this point. For all the people that hate on the NBA due to a perceived lack of defense, to me the biggest issue is the parade to the free throw line that the best player on every team seems to be afforded. I'm not sure thats definitely a function of the half circle though, I'm pretty sure it's just how it's officiated in the association. I think you can the half circle to prevent guys from camping out under the basket but also call a legit charge when one occurs.

    UsedToBeBrad ●

  • why would anyone want the college game to be like the NBA? It's the NBA that should make the "league" more like college ball.

    j spartan68695

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