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You use your elbows to create space

  • How did Trice get elbowed to the head without a flagrant called?

    Treadingcedar23

  • Treadingcedar23 said...

    How did Trice get elbowed to the head without a flagrant called?

    DId someone swing their elbows above their head when Trice got hit?

    Spartan Punk

  • Vegas Vic said...

    Dead ball foul on Nix was called and a dead ball foul doesn't have to be malicious to be called. The initial whistle and foul by Marks was irrelevant.

    QFT.

    Nix was not given a flagrant. Nix was called for a dead ball foul. He was not assessed a flagrant 1.

    SpartanElement

  • Spartan Punk said...

    DId someone swing their elbows above their head when Trice got hit?

    No. That was head to head.

    SpartanElement

  • Treadingcedar23 said...

    How did Trice get elbowed to the head without a flagrant called?

    Because it was head to head.

    SpartanElement

  • SpartanElement said...

    QFT.

    Nix was not given a flagrant. Nix was called for a dead ball foul. He was not assessed a flagrant 1.

    Which in itself is joke because his last movement was either simultaneous or within a second of the whistle blowing.

    WBill19542

  • SpartanElement said...

    QFT.

    Nix was not given a flagrant. Nix was called for a dead ball foul. He was not assessed a flagrant 1.

    dead ball fouls are given 2 FT attempts?

    "Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson

    tig ol bitties1

  • The folks arguing that ANY elbow to a defender's face after a rebound should be a flagrant 1 remind me of the paparazzi who swear that they don't chase celebrities; celebrities run from them.

    If the way that rule was called last night was right and proper, then you will absolutely see coaches teach their defenders to play for the foul.

    numberonealcove

  • tig ol' bitties said...

    dead ball fouls are given 2 FT attempts?

    shrug

    SpartanElement

  • tig ol' bitties said...

    dead ball fouls are given 2 FT attempts?

    I don't know if they were correct or not, but the announcers during the game said it was a dead ball technical - hence the shots.

    The_Miz

  • Royal said...

    Deciding on that line is why we have refs in the first place. What's the line between playing tough defense and hacking a guy? What's the line between a charge and a blocking foul? The rules say particular things, but things are up for interpretation.

    We have replays. Last season, every single elbow was reviewed. I saw some that looked malicious, and the refs came back and gave the guy a flagrant, and some that were incidental, like a guy going up for a rebound and turning around into a guy - no foul called. Why is that not enough? Your saying "welp, tough luck" to guys who make incidental contact?

    There are plenty of fouls that are just dumb luck... So I guess yes. Do I think it should automatically be a flagrant? Not necessarily.

    But the point is that some dudes throw elbows to clear space and it is dangerous, and somehow that should be disincentived. Ever played ball and had a dude start swinging those like crazy to the point where's everyone stands back and says "WTF, you're flipping crazy!!"?

    The dudes on here who think that swinging elbows is the only way to get out of a trap are mind boggling. Unfortunately they're also coaching 7th grade hoops, probably having his team play 2-3 collapsed zone all game. Smh at Gob bluth

    The Pale Man

  • The Pale Man said...

    There are plenty of fouls that are just dumb luck... So I guess yes. Do I think it should automatically be a flagrant? Not necessarily.

    But the point is that some dudes throw elbows to clear space and it is dangerous, and somehow that should be disincentived. Ever played ball and had a dude start swinging those like crazy to the point where's everyone stands back and says "WTF, you're flipping crazy!!"?

    The dudes on here who think that swinging elbows is the only way to get out of a trap are mind boggling. Unfortunately they're also coaching 7th grade hoops, probably having his team play 2-3 collapsed zone all game. Smh at Gob bluth

    Again, no one is advocating swinging elbows.

    How do you beat a trap? You step between the two defenders, with elbows out to clear space.

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    AUAlum06

  • AUAlum06 said...

    That is the way basketball has been taught since the beginning of time. As a coach, I am really struggling to see what you are supposed to teach with this. Get a rebound, be strong with the ball, if you get someone they will think twice about getting in your grill again. Refs don't do a good job of keeping people off from you after you grab a rebound, so you have to do it yourself. If someone takes a head shot so be it.

    Not liking where basketball and football are going, with this emphasis on protecting the head.

    Fuck the head.

    Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.

    Tanfan

  • pulling69 said...

    The mentioning of fully functioning elbows depresses me.....

    lol

    Also, Danny Ainge would clearly never survive in today's NCAA.

    SpartanInNH